What were the horrific acts of Jacen Solo?

Daala and the Jedi keep referencing the "horrific acts" that Jacen/Caedus committed.

Let's attempt to list them, group them into galactic-scale and more personal evil acts.

Then analyze how much of a monster Jacen really was, especially when compared to other Sith or the Imperials (such as Palpatine and Tarkin) and compared to even Daala's past actions.

(Note: this is not the same as the legal "crimes" of Jacen Solo, this is a list of all of his morally horrific acts)


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Galactic-scale atrocities:

-tricking Joiner Jedi into instigating the Swarm War between the Chiss and the Killiks (plotting to wipe out the Killiks to prevent vision of eternal war)

-heading the Galactic Alliance Guard (which Cal Omas founded)

-ordering Lumiya to assassinate Bothans of the True Victory Party (to prevent further attacks on the World Brain)

-cooperating with Supreme Commander Niathal and Senator G'Sil to orchestrate a legal overthrow of the Chief of State (who had just made a secret deal with the enemy to kill Jacen Solo and Cha Niathal)

-the burning of Kashyyyk (for debating whether to honor their allegiance to the GA or not, actually suggested by Ben Skywaker)

-firing on Fondor after its surrender

-taking the Jedi younglings on Ossus hostage

-ordering Tahiri to assassinate Gilad Pellaeon (who was an enemy combatant)



More personal atrocious acts:

-mind rubbing Ben's memory numerous times

-causing a brain hemorrhage in Ta'a Chume (after she used the Dark Nest to attempt assassination against her granddaughter and great-granddaughter)

-allowing an innocent to die to save many more innocents, and allowing another deranged man to blow himself up, during disturbances on Lorrd

-deciding to cooperate with Lumiya (who, unknown to Jacen, was secretly helping to ignite the flames of civil war)

-killing Nelani Dinn in cold blood (to prevent the situation when Jacen would have to kill Luke)

-accidentally killing Ailyn Vel during interrogation (who picked up a bounty on the entire Solo family by Thrackan Sal-Solo)

-firing upon the Millennium Falcon, ends up killing Meewalh and Cakhmaim (for his parents being traitors to the Galactic Alliance and believing them to be behind assassination attempts on Tenel Ka and Allana)

-ordering Ben Skywalker to assassinate Dur Gejjen and Cal Omas

-plotting to kill or turn Ben Skywalker

-torturing Ben Skywalker with the Embrace of Pain

-killing his aunt Mara Skywalker in self-defense

-plotting to turn Tahiri to the dark side

-killing Patra Tebut, despite her loyalty, in a fit of rage (when she allowed a GA shuttle to dock, which contained Jedi that escaped with Princess Allana)

-killing Prince Isolder (when he refused to cooperate with escaping, and not believing Jacen was trying to save Allana)

 

Oh, this should be fun to watch...

 

jacen was worse than his grandfather i bet ani was saddened to see him do these terrible despicible things even galen wasn't that evil.

 

Do you think his actions are worse than those of Palpatine, Vader, Tarkin, Daala, the Yuuzhan Vong, etc.?

 

I certainly don't.

Although "casually murdering and terrorizing planetary populations in the name of order" doesn't really strike me as something that has an acceptable lower limit.

 

damn i loved when jason was turning to the dark side, i wish it would have lasted longer. these things you listed might be morally wrong but in my book, they fit his dark side tendencies perfect. he did what he thought would better the galaxy.

 

All I know is, that haircut sure is both horrific and atrocious.

 

-ordering Tahiri to assassinate Gilad Pellaeon (who was an enemy combatant)

Not to nitpick, but Jacen left that that up to Tahiri - her call on whether it was necessary to assassinate or not. I think this particular horrific act it is better put "approved of assassination if he didn't get what he wanted".

 

Plus, Pelly had it coming.

 

It's ridiculous to compare the GAG to the CIA. I think the SS would be a better comparison.

 

When it comes to comparing him to Palpatine, I don't think it's close. Palpatine altered the way people lived on a galactic scale, effecting general populaces. Jacen attacked some planets and did some pretty bad thing, that effected certain people more than others. I just feel like the people of the galaxy saw Jacen as evil and deranged as they saw Palpatine.

 

From Jacen's point of view, all of his acts were justified or good, except possibly strangling Tebut in public.

From Daala's point of view...

... kark. What's her point of view? I mean, she tried to blow up Coruscant!

 

PointGiven, I know you're being devil's advocate, but you actually haven't refuted many of Darth-Ghost's points. "He had it coming" or "it's only a personal evil" does not refute the fact that they were horrific acts.

 

Didn't post pics of Tenel Ka online after they broke up.

 

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Looking younger than his sister - even as a Sith.

 

Yeah. Let's bring this up again. That'll be great to see...

 

I like what you've done with the parentheses. This was the whole point of Jacen's fall, every morally wrong action he took had a perfectly reasonable explanation on the surface. This doesn't change the fact that they were atrocities and as jacen fell further his reasoning became more ridiculous. Thus we have the tragedy.

 

Darth Ghost forgot to mention the atrocities that were Jacen Solo's jokes when he was a teenager.

 

On the torture thing, note that's a sanctioned Jedi activity at least as of the Dark Nest books. As for assassinations, Luke's order embraced that practice as well (targetting Jacen himself). Yoda and Obi-wan also set out to kill Palpatine and Vader, respectively. It's not until the Legacy-era under Tra Saa and K'Kruhk that the Jedi disavow political assassination as a tool.

Well, that would require the authors on the same series to actually read each other's books. As it is the best we can hope for is Denning may decide to touch on it since he presumably knows what he wrote.

 

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Well, Jacen didn't have only forty years to wreck havoc on the galaxy and turn the whole thing upside down.

Somewhere in whatever passes for the Force Hell, Sidious and Revan are taking turns paddling him for his general ineptitude (I mean, Jacen didn't even have a game plan. He was pretty much improvising the whole thing).