When Yoda senses Anakin's 'great pain' and 'something terrible,' he does...what?

Nothing.

AotC - Tusken Slaughter

If Yoda senses that Anakin is in 'great pain' and that 'something terrible has happenned', why doesn't he ever try to find out what, being that it concerns the possible Chosen One whom Yoda also sensed was dangerous to train as a Jedi? To me it was sort of like smelling smoke in the house and ignoring the location of the fire. Just a little investigation would have revealed what happenned and Anakin as a proven danger could have been dealt with decisively then. Either he's out of the Order, or better yet he remains in its care with some serious counseling and strict supervision - to prevent the galaxy-wide catastrophe his fall to the dark side would help to bring about. What do you think?

 

I think the Jedi had the Clone Wars to deal with and while Yoda still probably was unsure about Skywalker, he focused on the bigger picture.

 

To me it was sort of like smelling smoke in the house and ignoring the location of the fire.

You kind of answered your own question. The Force sense Yoda felt was not directional, nor like a GPS. Yoda had no idea Anakin was on Tatoonine. Anakin was supposed to be on Naboo, and in hiding. (Tatoonine is a good place to hide if youre suppose to hide on Naboo. ) If Anakin was doing his assignment well, there is no way for Yoda to get in touch.

 

Anakin and Obi-wan both told Yoda that Anakin went to Tatooine, which lead to his discovering that his mother died. But Anakin lied about taking out his greif on the Tuskens. And no one else looked beyond that. As to Yoda, he kept an eye on Anakin as best as he could.

 

Anakin lied....Jedi's died. All kidding aside. Yoda should have done more...he doesn't, and thats how it is but he should have done more to protect their investment. Its either poor character traits on the Jedi whom party themselves with anakin or bad story telling...probably a bit of both. Mace could have been a bit nicer as well..he didn't like some punk kid coming around and spoiling his record for being the youngest master on the counsil. To counterpoint though...we really don't know what happens about this between AOTC and ROTC. Maybe Anakin gets intense jedi counciling and they believe that he is "healed", either way I'm sure more happened off screen to make this easier to believe.

 

To me, the scene where Yoda told Windu that Anakin was in great pain was completely unnecesary.I agree that Jedi should have tried to find out something about that and it wasn't just Yodas fault, then Windus to.They completely ignored that, but they should have tried to find out through Anakin, not through an investigation.They had no time to investigate nothing considering that they were in war.But they puted it aside like something unimportant, like they always do.They have always ignored Anakins problems and that was their biggest mistake.

 

But Yoda already knows that Anakin had done more than just discover that his mother died since Yoda heard both the Tuskens screaming and the ghost of Qui-Gon telling Anakin to stop during his meditation. To stand around and do nothing while Anakin stews in his insecurities to the point where he succumbs to the Dark Side shows that Yoda hasn't done enough to help Anakin.

 

"When Yoda senses Anakin's 'great pain' and 'something terrible,' he does...what?"

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Nothing at all.

Another classic example of the collective failures of the Jedi Order.

Besides, all Yoda would have said was: "Teach yourself boy, to celebrate your mother's tragic death... rejoice, you should have, when your momma died in your arms."

The Jedi didn't have a clue how to teach Anakin, because none of them had ever been in his shoes. They couldn't possibly understand his emotional state of being because very few Jedi ever knew their own family.

 

Anakin most likely told the Jedi the truth to a point. He told them what he thought they needed to know, which would have been, his mother was kidnapped by the Sand People, he went after her, had to dispatch a few Sand People to rescue her, got there, and it was too late to keep her from dying. He brought he body back to the Lars homestead for burial.

Given than none of the Masters had ever felt the loss a parent or family member, they would not know what Anakin was feeling, so had to take his word on what happened and that he was able to handle it.

I never got the sense that they thought Anakin a liar, only that he was strong willed and impetuous. They probably also figured that over time he would be able to move on...which he didn't. His whole "keep people from dying" started with his mother's death in Episode 2 and pervaded into Episode 3, which lead to his downfall. Unhealthy attachment killed Anakin Skywalker and gave birth to Darth Vader.

 

It isn't sloppy storytelling, but it does intend to show that Yoda realized the extreme emotional nature of Anakin, but yet did very little. It is very interesting to me that every time Anakin does something of the dark side, there is an immediate cut to Yoda. He knows something is up with him. The story of his mother dying would explain his pain and suffering, but the Jedi are not supposed to feel that much negative emotion. He needed counseling. This is the Chosen One afterall, even in the middle of the war, time should have been made. The Jedi were altruistic, yes, but focused too much on the external, and not enough on the internal, which is how one of their own members caused them to fall from within.

 

I agree with this post. But you have to wonder, if it is true that Ki-Adi had a family, why Ki-Adi was not called for to counsel Anakin. They had more in common than Yoda and Anakin. It is easy to bash Yoda for the shortcomings of Anakin. But it is important to note that there were thousands of Jedi of which Yoda probably had dealings with most of them. Yoda would, in all earnesty, not have time to do ANYTHING should he immense himself with the troubles of Anakin!!! Yoda was too stubborn to listen, as was OBW - but I do wonder why Ki-Adi did not counsel him...

 

Yoda doesn't know all of what happened. He's not sure if everything he hears is in the present or the future. Yoda's ability to see clearly is still diminished. He's not sure of what has transpired and Qui-gon provides no answers. But Yoda was aware and waited for the boy to come to him.

Ki-Adi did try to work with Anakin during the Clone Wars, when Obi-wan was away, but their partnership did not work. Ki-Adi was exasperated by the time he turned Anakin back over to Obi-wan. A'Sharred Hett took a stab at it after learning of the Tusken Slaughter and making the connection to Anakin. He told the boy to speak to the Council or he would. Anakin didn't. Neeja Halcyon was paired with Anakin, both thinking that Yoda knows about their indiscretions with families. Yoda and Neeja both feel Anakin lose control again, but he stops before going too far. But again, neither said a thing. But both were concerned. Anakin's insecurities didn't kick in again until after the Battle of Coruscant. The three years of the Clone Wars proved to be somewhat theraputic for Anakin. But once he came home, his insecurities kicked in with his vision and he went to Yoda. Yoda spoke to Anakin, telling him that death is part of life. Yoda was warning him of his feelings and thoughts.

 

To me, the scene where Yoda told Windu that Anakin was in great pain was completely unnecesary.I agree that Jedi should have tried to find out something about that and it wasn't just Yodas fault, then Windus to.


That scene would have been better if Yoda told Mace he had just heard Qui-Gon's voice. Then Mace could have smacked Yoda in the head and told him to lay off the shrooms.

 

And their demeanor in the scene doesn't help. Mace's reaction, like Padme's when Anakin confesses to her, is a non-reaction. Maybe they both needed to lay off the shrooms. That's what was clouding their perception of the force!

 

It's called being in control of your emotions. That is why Mace doesn't react and yell, "Holy ****!" or some such. He remains cool, calm and collected.

 

It is yet another example of Lucas showing us the Jedi weren't all they were cracked up to be.

Interestingly with the cuts to Yoda throughout the PT, I always got the feeling Yoda knew a lot more obout the dark times that were coming but believed the Jedi could do nothing to stop it - maybe as if they deserved it.

There is a feeling of him believing the fall of the Jedi was inevitable.

In a cut scene he even asks Qui Gon how the Jedi will be destroyed.

Yoda certainly feels the shroud of the dark side more that the other Jedi.

I have often wondered why he chooses to never tell anyone about Qui Gon contacting him until he tells Obi Wan at the very end of ROTS, it is clear Qui Gon has been contacting him for 3 years by then.

 

What should Yoda have done? Confront Anakin? Repremand him? Cast him out of the Order? Suspend him from the order? Most likely, any type of intervention would further alienate Anakin from the Jedi - something he certainly did NOT need.

I think Yoda felt it was necessary to not interfere much with the Chosen One. If his Destiny was to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the force....who is Yoda to decide how it must be done? Events transpired as they had to, the Sith were destroyed, the prophecy fulfilled. Would this have happened if things would have went differently?

Carnage

 

Yoda suspected that prophecy was misread.Anakin was a padawan in time when he killed those Tuscan riders, an student and he should have been under full control of his Master.And because Obi-Wan was on other mission, someone should have watched over Anakin.I personaly think that it was a mistake to separate Anakin from Obi-Wan.They gave him a very important mission, maybe beyond his abillities.His turning on the way of Dark Side started there, when he killed those riders.Do you think that he would have still done that if he dreamed about his mothers death when he was on some other mission with Obi-Wan?

 

It seems that Anakin Skywalker was strong enough to be considered for Knighthood by AoTC. I think that before someone is allowed to go out on their own as a Jedi Knight, they are given small assignments to make sure that they have been trained properly and will do the correct things. Keeping Amidala safe on Naboo seems like a good mission to test a young Padawan (Well, assuming Amidala is some fat bald guy.....NEVER send a teenage boy alone somewhere with Natalie Portman) and his ability to conduct his own mission. He obviously failed and it was years before he was put up to be considered for Knighthood again. It all seems reasonable enough for me.

Carnage

 

And their demeanor in the scene doesn't help. Mace's reaction, like Padme's when Anakin confesses to her, is a non-reaction. Maybe they both needed to lay off the shrooms. That's what was clouding their perception of the force!


Yep, the dark side clouding the force my foot. It was the dark shrooms.

 

Since when has Yoda has ever tried to talk or become close with Anakin? The only time he ever gave advice was in ROTS. But the atmosphere was so chilly between the two, I could not help but wonder if this was a once-in-a-lifetime incident.

 

Because he knew he was sensing the future?

I don't get why this is a mystery. Anakin tells him in ROTS that he is anxious for Padmé (someone close to him) and uses the exact words Yoda used to describe his feelings in that scene in AOTC. Therefore Yoda was sensing the future. The no could be said to indicate Vader's no (that is my understanding of the scene). That is why didn't say anything. He knew he was sensing the future.

 

To me, the scene where Yoda told Windu that Anakin was in great pain was completely unnecesary.

have to disagree with that - I like seeing Mace care about Yoda's concern...and more importantly this was the first reveal that Qui Gon continues.

and that's huge.

 

No, it is the Tusken Slaughter that Yoda is hearing and sensing. Not what happens in ROTS.

"We cut to Yoda, who is meditating, who hears this (the Tusken slaughter) off-screen, and we do hear a voice in there, and that voice is the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn. So we very subtly establish that in this rather intense emotional connection, where Yoda is feeling the pain and suffering of Anakin and the Tusken Raiders, he's also making a connection, unwittingly, with Qui-Gon Jinn. Up to this point (in the saga), we haven't established that you can make a connection with the departed in this world, and that will become a factor in Episode III. Lots of issues sort of come out of that - but this is the very beginning of it. Yoda making a connection with Qui-Gon Jinn in the middle of Anakin's pain."

--George Lucas, AOTC DVD Commentary.


The voice is indeed Qui-Gon Jinn's - including the pained cry of "noooooo!" at the end. Somehow, the Jedi hero of Episode I has been able to retain his spirit in the netherworld as we see Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin do in the original trilogy."

--Pablo Hidalgo, Hyperspace chat.

The events that lead to Anakin's turn don't happen for three years. The future is still in motion and Anakin's fate is still not decided yet. Yoda is only sensing the moment, not the future.

 

So Yoda was able to sense all the Jedi being killed off throughout the galaxy as well as Anakin pledging himself to the Sith but he couldn't sense him killing the Tuskens? Come on, if Yoda could feel Anakin's pain, then he should also sense what Anakin did after his mother's death because he can read him like a book very well and waiting for Anakin to come clean isn't going to help because not only is Yoda leaving Anakin to suffer some more but that it will only give Anakin the impression that Yoda will expel him from the Jedi Order.