PT Where did everyone sleep?

Where did mace, obi wan and all other jedi sleep?

 

They probably all have their own personal quarters somewhere in the Jedi temple.

 

In Clone Wars, we've seen Ahsoka's bedroom before, and the preview for the current season included a shot of Anakin's room.

 

They slept on the floor - "no possessions" remember.

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Yeah, I was going to say that they just found a spot on the wall to lean against...

 

...IN SPAAACE!

 

probably in the temple

 

Thank god this is finally being discussed.

 

At Obi-Wan's Coruscant apartment. All the Jedi crashed there. He had an XBox 360, a Wii, including Wii Fit (useful for Yoda before taking on Dooku, although he often cheated), and a bunch of classic consoles, and even a Pacman arcade machine. They often stayed up late drinking blue-coloured shots, watching violent movies, and shooting pool.

In the morning, after all the others had left, Obi-Wan would wake in a haze, and always struggle to find a matching pair of socks. Worse, he would often cough on Wookiee furballs, which got everywhere whenever Yoda invited some of his Wookiee pals round. In the words of Anakin, this made him "very grumpy", which clouded his ability to think straight, leading him to botch the training of his apprentice, eventually causing the birth of Darth Vader and the Galactic Empire. The end.

 

I would Imagine in these things called beds?

 

lol..

 

Well, Anakin somehow managed to sneak away and sleep at Padmes place. Maybe all the other Jedi just crashed at the apartments of non-Force users.

 

When first watching Attack of the Clones, I observed that Padme's sleeping scene was the first time we'd actually seen someone sleeping in a bed in a STAR WARS movie.

 

That was to prove folks do sleep in the GFFA because some doubted it.

 

Yoda goes to eternal rest on a bed in his hut (ROTJ).

Threepio is resting -- powered down -- on Anakin's workbench in his room before Anakin switches him on (TPM).

But AOTC is certainly the first time we see a human sleeping in a bed (and a female at that -- followed later by the (somewhat) androgynous beauty of Anakin). There's a more intimate, erotic charge to this movie: one of the things that distinguishes it from its brethren (well, ROTS carries on the bed thing, and even goes up a level, showing a COUPLE sleeping together in the same bed). It might feel a little more sensual, lacy, insinuating, and "grown up" as a result.

I think it's one of the reasons I prefer AOTC to the other prequels (or I do at the moment, anyway). If all the movies did it, it might be boring, empty, or trite. But because AOTC does it in quiet violation of the motifs established up to that point in time -- almost a kind of Star Warsian "Hays Code" it's pushing against -- it somehow has a poignant, beautiful tinge to it. It's like when Padme emerges from that amber-coloured curtain during Anakin's early-morning meditation at the lake retreat. There's a tentative sensuality clinging to the air: something delicate and ephemeral that you can't quite put your finger on. This also extends to the way the characters are dressed and Padme's revelation: "I heard you". There's an ambiguous sophistication -- and a certain melancholy -- there that the other movies, by contrast, seem to lack.

This "bed" issue is exacerbated by what AOTC chooses to introduce to the Star Wars saga, I think. It's really not clear when any of the Jedi sleep or what the sleeping arrangements are between the different ranks. Do the Jedi give their members a wide berth when it comes to where they bunk down -- and with whom? This is one interesting area that's flashed into my head a bunch of times, particularly where it concerns ROTS and Anakin obviously staying at Padme's apartment for at least SOME of that duration. I mean, hmmm. Coruscant seems a totally different place at night, where almost anything goes. Everyone seems to give into shadow realms, including the Jedi. So, perhaps they really do allow one another to form attachments and -- *cough* -- do things in the erotic glow of night that they're meant to give up in the cold light of day. One of those gnawing, curiously unexplored areas of SW-prequel mythology*.

*NOTE: It may not be completely unexplored. Star Wars erotica, particularly AOTC erotica, is out there if you know where to find it. And some of it is pretty interesting, actually. But that's just a personal view. I sense there will be a growing recognition of this Dionysian side of SW fandom in the decades to come.

 

ugh. I can't make myself believe that Padme was into Anakin. I guess it happens all the time in real life that women in positions of authority sleep with teenagers, but it always seems like those women have some kind of emotional problem that leads to the incorrect thinking that it is somehow acceptable to have sex with someone who is still developing emotionally and physically. Padme, in every other instance, is depicted as someone who is too put together to sleep with a teenager. It really says something negative about her as a character that she not only has a fling with this petulant teen, but that she actually marries him. Because neither of them are real, but dreamed up by GL, it kind of reflects negatively back at him that he thinks this is what a normal and healthy relationship is. Just yuck... all the way around.

 

Well, this will blow your mind, then, because I wasn't so much referring to Anakin and Padme with that sidebar, but wait for it: bestiality and beyond (think Padme, think arena beasts). There is a hidden, fringe side to SW fandom, and most aspects of the human experience -- a reason art exists and our own imaginations yield to it -- is because we are physical, sensual creatures (carbon and water atoms -- with feeling!) with hankerings big and small, mundane and sublime, banal and outrageous. I'll build an extra observation onto this: I think another thing that jazzes me up about AOTC is that Star Wars, to that point, had been -- re-expressing my earlier remark, but in a different way -- rather Apollonian: symmetric, neat, ordered; in a way, tame. But then AOTC came along and cast a stone into those still waters and made things more interesting: suddenly, a Dionysian aspect became more pronounced, after some early experimentation (e.g., Jabba's Palace) in the OT.

If you don't like the idea of older and younger people bunking together and even having meaningful human relationships, I'd advise you to get used to it: the barriers of old are eroding and were never that solid to begin with. In any case, your objections, in my opinion, make little sense here, since Anakin is nineteen in AOTC and Padme is twenty-four; this hardly makes Padme a cradle-snatcher. BTW, a person's physical development tends to slow at the end of their teens (you normally reach your full height, for instance, before your 18th birthday; and a man reaches full muscle strength at 25, then begins to experience sarcopenia). Anakin and Padme's tender relationship in TPM deepens the context of their attraction in AOTC; though, in my experience, those with an axe to grind against the prequels tend to overlook it.

Pushing SW aside for a second, we plainly have a very deep-rooted difference of opinion here. But absent significant medical advances (which may or may not be within reach within the next half-a-century), life is short, and still rather brutal, so I don't busy myself with rote disparagement of people getting together and doing whatever based purely on age or gender or whatever; it's of no concern to me. The opposite, though -- people recoiling at various pairings and relationships based on these limited criteria -- *is* of some concern; not least because I think it's puritanical and medieval (the emotional attitudes and the lack of reasoning, or thin/unscientific reasoning, invariably provided), and ultimately increases fear, pain, and suffering that are still rife in modern-day society.

 

Well said.

 

Look at that garbage. Star Wars bed sheets were so much better back in the 80s. Back then it was about keeping snuggily warm, not CGI.

 

I'm not denying that there are sub-societies in which these sexual activities exists or denying that there are people who are able to function while acting out sexually in these ways. In real life we probably rub elbows with furries every day without even knowing it. What I am saying is that emotional problems are a scientific fact of life and that it is possible for us to track the ways in which people with certain emotional problems will act out. Far from disparaging them, I merely recognize that they are able to be diagnosed, and that it is hard to imagine Padme being a pedophile or into have sex with species with a lower order intelligence. She just wasn't depicted that way.

Anakin, on the other hand would totally be believable in a situation where he would pull the wings off flies or have sex with a chicken or what have you. He was depicted so creepily that if you saw him acting that way towards a woman in a different movie, you would be yelling at the screen for his future victim to get out of the room before he attacks and rapes her.

 

Don't marginalize. I'm not talking about "sub-societies". Or "furries". I'm talking about things that pervade human experience; though many are at pains to admit it and/or deny to the point of brutal oppression.

Actually, the classification of something being a "problem" is very unscientific. The field of psychiatry attempts to identify conditions and classify according to base norms, but as a science, it's still very imperfect, subjective, selective, and riddled with guess-work and projection.

All we can agree on, I think, is that there are such things as emotions; or pathways in the brain that tend to motivate people a certain way. The issue is that emotions vary and are themselves hard to classify as "right" or "wrong" (in fact, thinking in those terms is generally quite obstructive, IMO).

Some behaviour is more predictable than other behaviour. And again, we come to the thorny issue of the concept of "emotional problems", and your lazy invocation herein.

A pedophile? Umm, no. Pedophilia is generally regarded as sexual interest in children; or individuals that have not yet biologically egressed into puberty (and, IMO, like almost all matters of sexual attraction, is poorly understood -- societally, scientifically, psychologically, etc.). Padme is attracted to a nineteen-year-old: an adolescent or young man. If she had a particular, roving interest in individuals of that given age and level of physical development, she might be classed as an ephebophile (ephebophilia being distinct from hebephilia which is distinct from pedophilia). As it happens, however, we only have the one example to go on: her attraction to a single nineteen-year-old individual. Anything else is pure flim and fancy on your part.

I'm also perturbed -- or maybe just confused -- by your phrasing "species with a lower order intelligence". Padme is human; Anakin is human. They're the same species. I'm not sure what you mean by your terminology, unless you're trying to call Anakin sub-human. That would be pretty low a thing to do, in my book. How about you recognize that attraction is a complex matter, in Star Wars and certainly OUTSIDE of it, and many variables are always at play? Or would that be too post-modern or something?

You seem to be attempting to paint Anakin as a loathsome, sadistic, uncontrollable savage (using undefined terms/appealing to vulgar sentiment). That's NOT how I see the character at all. "A different movie"? Is that your get-out-of-jail-for-free card? AOTC clearly shows a courtly attraction, drawing upon archaic, melodramatic motifs characteristic of Hollywood films from the 1930s. Anakin courts Padme in several ways until she rejects him and he appears to give up. At that point, she then begins showing an advanced interest in *him*; and she eventually makes her own pledge to him minutes before seemingly-inevitable death. In the shadow of war and a changing universe, they find solace in each other and marry. It's a fine fable, in my view -- dark and tragic, perhaps; but in my view, there's nothing creepy or obscene about it.

 

Jedi sleep on the floors. Politicians had houses, or private quarters in Republic buildings. As for the Chancellor, he didn't sleep.

 

This is really a sticking point for me unfortunately, but what about Anakin's behavior towards women in AOTC is creepy? Seriously, is it that one stare he gives Padmé after she says "please don't look at me like that"? Because that's honestly the only thing I can think of. When did the term "rapist" become equatable with "backing off when you're told to" as Anakin decidedly does when Padmé says they can't be together during the fireplace scene?

This legitimately puzzles me, especially because Han's pursuit of Leia in ESB is held in such high regard when it has much more of a "rapist" influence given the incredibly strong "no means yes" undercurrent throughout the film.

I just don't get it. No one's been able to tell me what exactly is so creepy about Anakin's behavior towards Padmé in AOTC.

The look, I'll give you, but that's hardly a transgression worth titling someone "rapist."

 

PiettsHat: I quite agree with you and at the risk of again being called a very bad name by a poster for saying this, the ONLY thing that disturbed me WAS that stare (coupled with the expression on his face) - I found it unnerving. Creepy - I'm not sure I'd go that far and I certainly don't really have any other issues with Anakin's behavior towards women - other than slaughtering them (sorry, Anakinfan - I know that's loaded and one-sided).