Who are the Lost Twenty?

I know they're the twenty Jedi who fell between the formation of the Republic and AotC, but does the "formation" refer to the actual creation of the Republic 25,000 years before AotC or the reformation of the Republic after Ruusan 1,000 years before Attack?

 

Orignally, according to the rough cut of the Attack of the Clones film: there were only twenty Jedi, period, to have ever left the order.

After a burst of common sense over at Lucasfilm, Ltd.: there were twenty Jedi Masters who left the order over the years.

It's still not really clear whether or not the "Lost Twenty" left the order over the past 25,000 years, or more recently since the Ruusan Reformation. This would also tie together nicely Palpatine's dialogue in the film, as well as Sio Bibble's remarks on Naboo about "the formation of the Republic."

 

I know they're the twenty Jedi who fell between the formation of the Republic and AotC...

Actually, I think they're just the only Jedi Masters to leave the Order, as the Jedi lost a whole lot more than 20 before AOTC.

EDIT: Beaten by three minutes? Dang, I must type slower than I thought.

 

I was about to say, the Jedi have been around at least twenty five thousand years, with millions of members in that time, I find it so hard to swallow only twnty Jedi have left, ever.
I think it's just as hard to swallow only twenty Masters have left the Order in 25,000 years, so I say it's probably in the 1,000 years from Ruusan to Geonosis.

 

That's probably a pretty reasonable assumption, yeah (or, at least the one I'D likely go with ).

 

I really don't think I like the idea of the Lost Twenty. When you stop to think about it, most Jedi, if not all, are taken when their too young to actually say if they want to be a Jedi or not. Not very many people I know would be able to stay in such a monastic Order against their well. I very well couldn't make it; and I would think more than twenty Masters would leave the Order in over a thousand years; but I don't want this thread locked for fear of it being an AotC thread, so I digress.

Anyway, I wonder if Exar Kun and Ulic-Qel Droma are considered "Lost" or not.

 

Oh, it's okay, since the concept's pretty much been given over to the Expanded Universe anyways.

But, interestingly enough, back during the early 1990s, when the very first issue of Tales of the Jedi hit the stands, Dave Dorman's cover featured Ulic Qel-Droma standing in front of ten ignited lightsabers, with him holding the eleventh...this was meant to foreshadow his eventual fall to the Dark Side:

[image=http://www.theforce.net/comics/images/dhCovers/large/swtotj1.jpg]

What's really intriguing about this whole thing is the fact that -- up until that point in time -- George Lucas had orignally intended that there were only *twelve* Dark Lords of the Sith throughout all of history, and Ulic Qel-Droma was among these, with the other 'sabers behind him to have eventually included Darth Vader's among their ranks, presumably as number twelve. He had even gone so far as officially endorsing this concept in a sanctioned Lucasfilm timeline that was provided to all writers in-house; this was actually discussed at some length in the lettercols of the original issues. (Another reason for preferring individual issues over trade-paperbacks...)

What might've been, eh...??

 

The "official" site says it was one of the Jedi not to directly fall dark but just leave. Basically, uys taking the pension and getting a job rather than killing Jedi at first.

 

Only twenty? I'd have thought that they'd have more.
One thing's for sure: The Jedi have the lowest turnover rate in the galaxy!

 

JediTrilobite - "Only twenty? I'd have thought that they'd have more." To Leto II you listen, he hit the nail right on the head. At first the AOTC rough draft described the Lost Twenty as being overall the only Jedi to leave then they came to their sense's and declared it was twenty Master's. ^_^ Read up for a better explaination.

I'm positive countless Jedi Apprentice's and Knight's have left the Order in it's very very long and illustrous existence yet compared to the Jedi Master's their significance has not been stamped out.

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I think the Lost 20 counts only Jedi Masters who left the order after the Ruusaan Reformation, 1000 years BBY. We know the names of two, Chron Achtron (sp?) and the Dookster.

 

Hmm.


I'll try to compile a list of all of the Tweny {I assume it was the Lost Nineteen before Count Dooku left, eh? }, and I'll as the Jedi Council to give me their names--- if they'll comply, that is.

 

You know, I think I read this particular snippet in an interview with one of the early post-Zahn authors (it might've been Tom Veitch whom brought this up, the "Twelve Dark Lords" concept, in a magazine talk or two), and that there indeed was an outline either penned directly by Lucas or sanctioned by him (for the comics writers) in which this notion was developed.

And, if you have access to the original five-issue Tales of the Jedi mini-series, you can look back in the letter-columns for more discussion on this subject...I agree, it would've made for a pretty fascinating history, had it been maintained.

 

My surmise is that there really are more than 20 -- do you think that before Dooku left, they were called the Lost 19?

My speculation is that perhaps:

A - there was once a group of 20 Jedi masters who left all at once.. they were the original lost 20. others who left after him were considered to have joined the lost 20 in a metaphoric sense...

B - at various times revered Jedi masters have left, causing a void in the jedi order, and eventually the concept of a lost 20 came about for the ones who were sorely missed (and not the ones who turned evil, but those just left on political or philosophical differences)... this list was never really updated or counted since the order's history was incomplete from time to time, and so the generic number 20 was chosen to signify the lost ones.. perhaps a list would be made, and if/when a new jedi master left the order they would add them to the list, and remove the name of a long-forgotten jedi from the list, to keep it at 20, in order to keep the symbolism of both losing some and also keep the number from increasing (maintain control)

 

Ya it was the lost 19 before Count Dooku, Dooku was the "Twentieth" according to the EU. It was only the jedi masters that left according to NEGTC, as I recall.