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Who is the idiot that invented ties?

Discussion in 'Archive: Your Jedi Council Community' started by Ardens_Furore, Mar 23, 2003.

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  1. Ardens_Furore

    Ardens_Furore Jedi Padawan star 4

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    What purpose does a tie serve? It's purely decorative and has no useful purpose. It is a choking hazard. It is uncomfortable to have it tied around your neck. It's like a leash by which the corporate world enslaves you.

    I just spent 5 minutes trying to put my tie on. It kept being the wrong length or the knot wasn't the right shape. Such a waste of time.

    I hate ties. I hate them. I hate them!
     
  2. SithDewd

    SithDewd Jedi Knight star 5

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    Yes yes we need to rise up against the opression.

    *burns his ties*
     
  3. Spike_Spiegal

    Spike_Spiegal Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Yes, but many women like a guy in a suit and tie, end of story.


    Plus, ties in anime (like my namesakes's) are very cool.
     
  4. Quickstrike34

    Quickstrike34 Jedi Knight star 5

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    It is a choking hazard. It is uncomfortable to have it tied around your neck.


    A Tie is the noose of the modern century. They are proabbly simply there so that if an Employee gets out of line you can give it a nice hard tug to show them who's boss.

     
  5. GuitarGuy1983

    GuitarGuy1983 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Yep. Women like it.

    thats all the reason needed :)
     
  6. Killer Ewok

    Killer Ewok Jedi Knight star 5

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    It was me!












    Actually, no, not really. I can't back that up ...
     
  7. Happy Ninja

    Happy Ninja Jedi Knight star 6

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    I can't understand why we should have to wear ties at work...You ain't impressing anyone, and it's uncomfortable.

    Besides, women don't have to wear them, so why should we feel like a trussed up chicken?

    EDIT: Fixing my typos at 4am!
     
  8. AmazingB

    AmazingB Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "Who is the idiot that invented ties?"

    Curse you, Richard J. Tie!

    I don't much care for ties either, but I accept that they are necessary for a lot of things.

    Amazing.
     
  9. SithDewd

    SithDewd Jedi Knight star 5

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    Join with me and burn you ties Brothers!

    *burns some more ties*
     
  10. eclipseSD

    eclipseSD Jedi Knight star 5

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    The history of neckties dates back a mere hundred years or so, for they came into existence as the direct result of a war. In 1660, in celebration of its hard-fought victory over the Ottoman Empire , a crack regiment from Croatia (then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire), visited Paris. There, the soldiers were presented as glorious heroes to Louis XIV, a monarch well known for his eye toward personal adornment. It so happened that the officers of this regiment were wearing brightly colored handkerchiefs fashioned of silk around their necks. These neck cloths, which probably descended from the Roman fascalia worn by orators to warm the vocal chords, struck the fancy of the king, and he soon made them an insignia of royalty as he created a regiment of Royal Cravattes. The word "cravat," incidentally, is derived from the word "Croat."

    It wasn't long before this new style crossed the channel to England. Soon no gentleman would have considered himself well-dressed without sporting some sort of cloth around his neck--the more decorative, the better. At times, cravats were worn so high that a man could not move his head without turning his whole body. There were even reports of cravats worn so thick that they stopped sword thrusts. The various styles knew no bounds, as cravats of tasseled strings, plaid scarves, tufts and bows of ribbon, lace, and embroidered linen all had their staunch adherents. Nearly one hundred different knots were recognized, and as a certain M. Le Blanc, who instructed men in the fine and sometimes complex art of tying a tie, noted, "The grossest insult that can be offered to a man comme il faut is to seize him by the cravat; in this place blood only can wash out the stain upon the honor of either party."

    In this country, ties were also an integral part of a man's wardrobe. However, until the time of the Civil War, most ties were imported from the Continent. Gradually, though, the industry gained ground, to the point that at the beginning of the twentieth century, American neckwear finally began to rival that of Europe, despite the fact that European fabrics were still being heavily imported.

    In the 1960s, in the midst of the Peacock Revolution, there was a definite lapse in the inclination of men to wear ties, as a result of the rebellion against both tradition and the formality of dress. But by the mid-1970s, this trend had reversed itself to the point where now, in the 1990s, the sale of neckwear is probably as strong if not stronger than it has ever been.

    How to account for the continued popularity of neckties? For years, fashion historians and sociologists predicted their demise--the one element of a man's attire with no obvious function. Perhaps they are merely part of an inherited tradition. As long as world and business leaders continue to wear ties, the young executives will follow suit and ties will remain a key to the boardroom. On the other hand, there does seem to be some aesthetic value in wearing a tie. In addition to covering the buttons of the shirt and giving emphasis to the verticality of a man's body (in much the same way that the buttons on a military uniform do), it adds a sense of luxury and richness, color and texture, to the austerity of the dress shirt and business suit.

    Perhaps no other item of a man's wardrobe has altered its shape so often as the tie. It seems that the first question fashion writers always ask is, "Will men's ties be wider or narrower this year?"

    In the late 1960s and early 70s, ties grew to five inches in width. At the time, the rationale was that these wide ties were in proportion to the wider jacket lapels and longer shirt collars. This was the correct approach, since these elements should always be in balance. But once these exaggerated proportions were discarded, fat ties became another victim of fashion.

    The proper width of a tie, and one that will never be out of style, is 3-1/4 inches (2-3/4 to 3-1/2 inches are also acceptable). As long as the proportions of men's clothing remain true to a man's body shape, this widt
     
  11. Darth_Ignant

    Darth_Ignant Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    "in celebration of its hard-fought victory over the Ottoman Empire "

    An empire based on foot stools? Who are you trying to kid?
     
  12. Old Republic Royalty

    Old Republic Royalty Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The same guy that invented high heels and pantyhose.


     
  13. Stackpole_The_Hobbit

    Stackpole_The_Hobbit Jedi Master star 6

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    So...Satan? :p

    I have to wear a tie at school, so I feel your pain, brother.
     
  14. Valyn

    Valyn Jedi Master star 8

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    I've read that the tie symbolizes the penis and...there was more to that, but my mind's suddenly blank...

     
  15. Ktulu_Terumo

    Ktulu_Terumo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Buy a couple of Star Wars related ties, problem solved.
     
  16. SithDewd

    SithDewd Jedi Knight star 5

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    No the tie symbolizies our oppresion. We must rise up no longer will we be held back by our ties.

    *burns some more ties*
     
  17. Valyn

    Valyn Jedi Master star 8

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    [face_apprehensive]

     
  18. Herman Snerd

    Herman Snerd Jedi Master star 6

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    I thought that neckties came about because some vain king needed to wear high collars to hide an ugly birthmark on his neck, and the tie was needed to keep the high collar from flopping open.
     
  19. Valyn

    Valyn Jedi Master star 8

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    what about bow-ties? Now, I KNOW those don't represent the penis...well, not mine, that's for sure.

     
  20. SithDewd

    SithDewd Jedi Knight star 5

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    All ties must be burned. Neck ties, bow ties twist ties... All shall be out to flame.

    *burns some more ties*
     
  21. eaglejedi

    eaglejedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    A suit just doesn't look right without a tie. The first time I wore one, I hated it, but I've gotten used to it.

    As long as there's a uniform #4, I will always need a tie.

    The purpose of ties at work, is to make fools of the patrons. Because the ties we wear at work, are cheap clip-ons, so we cannot be strangled with them.

    Also, I should point out that both men and women have to wear clip-on ties at my workplace. Also, in the military organization I alluded to earlier, everyone wears a tie with that uniform, male or female.
     
  22. Jedi_Learner

    Jedi_Learner Jedi Knight star 5

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    Women love them. Especially a man in a suit. ;)
     
  23. MadamMidnight

    MadamMidnight Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Join the revolution of the ties! Rise up and show your worth! Show you can live without a tie!
     
  24. Skimaniac87

    Skimaniac87 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Ties? Are you talking about the long things that dangle from your neck that drive you apsalutly up the wall or the things that go around a plastic bread bag to help it keep fresh? :confused:

    Anyways, I have no idea who did but if I were to guess it would probably be Sonny and Cher or some 1970's trio like that...



    1970's trio... Hmph! [face_plain]
     
  25. DarthXan318

    DarthXan318 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Who is the idiot that invented ties?

    I have no idea ... they make us all wear then for school :mad:. It's dumb. Even the guys don't look good in it.

    That may have something to do with it being designed by a colorblind person ... but it's still dumb to start out your day by tying a noose around your neck [face_plain].
     
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