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Who is the most powerful jedi of all time?

Discussion in 'EU Community' started by Darth_lily, Sep 20, 2006.

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  1. Darth_lily

    Darth_lily Jedi Youngling

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    I know it's posted on here, I just can't find the list of ranks of most powerful, down.

     
  2. Azure_Angel

    Azure_Angel Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Personaly i woudl list them as thus:

    And these are not by saber skill but by strength, knowlege, and power in the Force

    Anakin Skywalker (Potential wise)
    Jacen Solo
    Qui-Gon
    Yoda
    Luke
    Jania, Anakin Solo, Leia
    Mace Windu
    (A bunch of other Jedi)

    ~Azure
     
  3. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 10

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    Well I'll be darned if this isn't the 1,000,000th "Most powerful Jedi" thread[face_laugh]
     
  4. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Luke Skywalker.
     
  5. fuzzyjedi

    fuzzyjedi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Id say
    1. Luke-hes just done so much to be mainly self taught, imagine if he was born, with the same potential, if he had been born...say...50 bby

    2. Qui gon

    3. Yoda

    4. Jacen

    Id say taht Jacen could be the most powerful, but his outlook on the force and how it should be used keeps him from becoming alal the he could. Also, despite all that he seems to beleive in LotF, he has a crap ton o pride in himself.
     
  6. Robal_Krahl

    Robal_Krahl Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Luke Skywalker.
    In ten years of training, Luke Skywalker was diffusing Force Storms and bringing down an AT-AT with the Force alone. This was with 4 years of actual training by Jedi Masters; for the other 6 years, Luke taught himself.

    Anakin Skywalker had 14 years of training under Jedi Masters, and nothing he did came anywhere near what Luke could do.

    Qui-Gon wasn't really powerful; he didn't really do anything with the Force, except coming back as a Force Ghost. Even then, it wasnt exactly remarkable, as it has been done countless times before him, as well as after.
    Anakin Skywalker was unable to become a Force Ghost barely one year after his death; Luke Skywalker could do so a century after his own.

    Kyp Durron and Yoda are the only Jedi that can really come close to matching Luke for sheer power.

    Revan doesn't come close. He was a brilliant strategist, but was nothing special with the Force. What did he do? He found a Star Forge and created ships. He killed Malak, who was nothing special anyway.
     
  7. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Anakin Skywalker. He took down the Galactic Emperor at the height of his power. We know he's the only one powerful enough to do this, ergo, he's the most powerful.

    Robal, when did Luke 'diffuse' a Force Storm? :)

    Also, this is a pretty silly question with arbitrary answers. I don't know why 44 left this one open.
     
  8. Amon_Amarth

    Amon_Amarth Force Ghost star 6

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    Luke Skywalker, Revan, Jacen
     
  9. Mikaboshi

    Mikaboshi Force Ghost star 6

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    44 is a Jedi loving dog, he must be dealt with.:p

    1) Luke

    2) Anakin

    3) Yoda
     
  10. Robal_Krahl

    Robal_Krahl Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Anakin took down Palpatine with a surprise attack that had nothing to do with power.
    Surely, you're not suggesting that Anakin was powerful enough to oppose, even defeat, the Emperor in direct combat, are you?

    I popped open my copy of Dark Empire, and realize that I was wrong in saying that Luke diffused Force Storms; I recalled (incorrectly) that after the destruction of Palpatine's clone, he diffused the Force Storm that was ravaging the Rebel fleet. The reality is different, however; the Force Storm burned itself out.

    Although, I did find an something interesting in re-reading the story: Luke Skywalker was able to do what four of the best swordsmen of the Old Jedi Order could not: he beat Palpatine in a lightsaber duel.
    Also, an interesting passage, just before Luke and Leia literally destroy Palpatine: "As Leia's intensity continues to unlock unexpected resources in Luke..."
    In addition, there are the words of Palpatine himself: "I'll tell you the truth about your father. The great Darth Vader was a sick man in an iron mask! Yes, that mask inspired terror throughout the Galaxy... but the feeble heart was forever posessed by the impotent side of the Force! You can be far stronger than he was!"
    Luke has been able to do much more with the Force in a shorter time, with minimal teaching, than Anakin had done in longer time with constant teaching.
     
  11. Jedi_Master_Ron

    Jedi_Master_Ron Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Luke Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi ever, followed by Yoda. Luke defeated Darth Vader (Anakin Skywalker) in ROTJ who then snuck up behind his master, grabbed him, and threw him down a pit while his attention was directed toward Luke. I can't believe some people would argue that Anakin took down the Emperor, he was his apprentice, I don't think Sidious expected Darth Vader to betray him. Luke has also achieved much more than Anakin. He walked across lava using the Force, battled a monster living in the lava, started a whole New Order of Jedi, as well as accomplishing much more in the Yuuzhan Vong War, all without nearly the kind of training Anakin recieved.
     
  12. padawan3

    padawan3 Jedi Master star 4

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    I think Qui-Gon would be ranked up there. I know he never gave any showy displays of the force in his brief apparances but I think thats a virtue not a vice. I often found that the individuals most willing for huge displays in the force weaker than individuals who can brute raw energy. Being a powerful jedi is about control, percision, a strong and fluid connection with the force, efficency, knowledge, and will. Power does not always equal powerful.

    Anakin Skywalker never had that control; he ofen succeeded with brute force. Yes that control express itself when he's older, but not so much that he can defeat Yoda or even Obi-wan for that matter. Remember, Obi-Wan just grows stronger when he dies, he is not defeated in the traditional sense. Anakin has raw energy, not necessarily a finished product. Conversely, Luke Skywalker seems to possess both control and potential, but I see him as lacking the proper training and, indeed, even the desire to truly unite with the force. Luke, after all, only received several weeks of official training. The rest was self taught; there must have been hundreds of skills and techniques lost, techniques that would augment a force uses ability or energy efficency. Also, throughout the entire Star Wars universe, Luke only begrudgedly takes upon the task of rebuilding the order. In the early EU, he feels burden, insecure, over his head as any individual would. I see this as dibilitating for a good connection with the force. Luke only embraces this path later in life, and by that time he seems to lose the will to use the force. He loses the will to act. Again, I do not say they are weak, but they may not be the most powerful, not because of their potential but because of their circumstances and personalities.

    Conversely, I see Qui-Gon as a jedi with all of these attributes and with the common sense to restrain showy displays of power. His strengthes do lay in the Unifying force like most Jedi, but with living force. This makes him powerful in different areas that Luke, Anakin, or even Yoda lack. He has an incredible field record and is considered equal to Mace in swordsmanship and ability. He was even up for consideration for the council three times and past over because of his status as maverick and not his capabilities as a jedi. This is not to say he should automatically be designated as the most powerful Jedi, yet he should not be passed over beyond consideration.

    Following my guidelines above, the most powerful Jedi are (not in any particular order): Yoda, Mace, Qui-Gon, and Obi-Wan. I might include Luke or Anakin, but I would be hard pressed. Anakin Solo if he had survived to adulthood. Finally, Nejaa Halcyon, but I would need futher elaborations of his character in the EU.





     
  13. Kyptastic

    Kyptastic VIP star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It all depends on what facet you are looking at (Just Jedi)

    Power.
    Anakin Skywalker
    Luke Skywalker
    Yoda
    Revan (Speculatory - we only have second hand accounts to go on, but everyone who knew him goes on about how powerful he was)
    Kyp Durron
    The Solo Brothers - Anakin and Jacen

    Bladesmanship.
    Luke Skywalker
    Mace Windu
    Yoda
    Dooku
    Kyle Katarn

    Knowledge.
    Yoda
    Luke Skywalker
    Qui-Gon Jinn
    Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Jacen Solo (but much of his knowledge isn't part of the Jedi way, so he's close to not being on the list).

     
  14. jedi_remi

    jedi_remi Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I'd have to say Yoda.
     
  15. GeneralHoth

    GeneralHoth Jedi Knight

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    Lord Hoth - Commanded the Army of Light and turned the tide of the New Sith Wars. He was massive man, powerful in the force, and a berserker in battle.
     
  16. Lord_H0th

    Lord_H0th Jedi Padawan star 4

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    hmmm... i think he likes me a little to much:D
     
  17. Darth_Sorah

    Darth_Sorah Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I personally think the ranks would be...

    1. Anakin Skywalker
    Like said earlier in this thread, he took down the emperor, one of the most powerful people that the galaxy has ever known. Also his body is made up of medaclorians. Cells in your body that let you become more in touch with the force. He also has a very accelerated learning style. Everyone that he has fought the first time, he beats the second.

    2. Yoda
    Yoda was one of the established masters on the Jedi Council. Also, he is the most powerful Jedi in the force. Because of him being so small, he is a very difficult target to hit, and his lightsaber skills are very aggressive.

    3. Mace Windu
    Mace Windu is also another established master on the Jedi Council. He is the most powerful swordsmaster in the Jedi. The reason he is third is because he had Palpatine/The Emperor in a feeble position and at his mercy. He had the lightsaber to his neck, and could have killed him at will.
     
  18. Daleon

    Daleon Jedi Youngling

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    I don't think it would be Anakin Skywalker. Dooku took a hand off him, Obi-Wan turned him into a quadrapalegic, and Luke took another hand off him.

    Luke has done the most because he's been writen the most about.

    I would still have to say Yoda was pretty much the man and fairly undefeated as far as what I've seen and read. I think Mace would probably take down Obi-Wan or Qui-Gon but would loose to Yoda.

    Now if you count all the Jedi, including the Dark Jedi... Exar Kun would have to be pretty far up there considering what it took to bring him down.
     
  19. spasticewok

    spasticewok Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Had Anakin stayed in the light, he would be #1, but the suit slows him down considerably, i mean watch the OT Vader duels, vs. the PT Anakin duels, there is a big difference,

    #2 Yoda- give it to him, he's 900 years old, he knows almost as much as the Hutts do!

    #3 Windu- Only Kit Fisto was able to equal him in the Vapaad style of fighting, he almost killed the Emperor, yada yada, everyone else has said it.
     
  20. Jedi_Master_Ron

    Jedi_Master_Ron Jedi Padawan star 4

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    As I stated before, Anakin killing Palpatine counts for absolutely nothing. He threw his own master down a pit while his attention was turned toward Luke Skywalker, he stabbed him in the back. I would rank Anakin lower than Yoda, Mace, and Obi-Wan, plus Jacen Solo and Luke Skywalker as well as a few other Jedi who did not live in the same era as Anakin. Sure, Anakin defeated Dooku once, though only after being defeated by him previously. Even though Obi-Wan was defeated by Dooku twice, when Anakin and Obi-Wan dueled, Anakin lost. Plus, Obi-Wan was sent to kill Anakin only because he wasn't strong enough to confront the Emperor. If both Mace and Yoda confronted Sidious and both of them disarm him, this should prove that Anakin isn't as strong as Yoda, Mace, or Obi-Wan. Some may argue Yoda lost his duel against Sidious, but that subject's debatable, Sidious had just as much of a chance to fall from that pod as Yoda, but I'd rather not go into details about the matter unless someone opposes my argument. There was no similar situation in Anakin and Obi-Wan's duel on Mustafar. Anakin had potential, but it counts for nothing if he did not live up to that potential.
     
  21. Kyptastic

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    Based on what?
     
  22. Robal_Krahl

    Robal_Krahl Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I agree with you on this. Also noteworthy is the fact when Obi-Wan shot a Force Push at Anakin. Notice that they both fire one at the same time, and hold it for a few moments in a struggle to see who is stronger; if Anakin was truly stronger than Obi-Wan, he would have blasted Kenobi clear through the wall. But nope; they were equals in terms of power, as that scene proves.
     
  23. OBIWANAmidala

    OBIWANAmidala Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Okay anyone of y'all who thinks Jacen is the best jedi are wrong. He is simply a Sith and I will never forget this even if he turns back good. The real winner is Anakin Solo, That is if he was still alive....
     
  24. Squishy_Vic

    Squishy_Vic Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    1.) Anakin Skywalker
    The Chosen One, hero of the Republic and the Jedi, and took down the Emperor.
    2.) Luke Skywalker
    Simply the best (next to Anakin).
    3.) Qui-Gon Jinn
    May not have been able to keep up in a duel with his age, but was a greater master than anyone ever had been.
    4.) Yoda
    A powerful yet too conservative Jedi, but he still was more powerful than any other.
     
  25. Robal_Krahl

    Robal_Krahl Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I don't see why people consider this a problem. It wasn't Yoda who made the mistake; it was Anakin. He decided to break the rules... rules that were put in place to prevent the outcome of exactly what Anakin did. If anything, Yoda was proven right: break the rules, and disaster occurs.
    Anakin shirked his responsibility as a Jedi; he did not follow through on his oath. Jedi are not meant to be like regular employees; they don't have the luxury of going home and complaining about their job. The Jedi exist as permanent peacekeepers, always putting others above themselves. They don't live to make money, or for selfish gains. Anakin never understood this, and wanted to be a Jedi due to the fact that he thought they were cool; he wasn't equipped to shoulder the responsibility and maturity that being a Jedi called for.
    If you recall, Yoda didn't even want Anakin to begin training. In TPM, he seemed frustrated that the Council agreed with Obi-Wan; he knew that it was a bad idea. Why? He was wise. He didn't live 900 years and climb to the top of the Jedi Order by being an idiot.
    If there was a mistake that Yoda made, it was not acting on the signs of Anakin's descent into the dark side. If anything, that was a liberal decision, giving Anakin the benefit of the doubt.
     
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