Discussions Who is your favorite of Vader's apprentices?

Pretty straightforward and doesn't need much introduction.

 

I’ll go with Lumiya. She’s just cool. A cool villain, with a cool weapon.

TFU was fun, but I never really embraced the story that much.

I will admit I’m not that familiar with Tao. Will have to read about her on Wookieepedia

 

Hehehe. I wasn't, either. But Tao is very unknown compared to the other three.

I just like how the old EU helps a lot of us use our imaginations. Lumiya is interesting because she survived a lot, but she went through hell. Poor woman considered herself a machine with organic parts in the end, and I remember reading her in the late 2000s, and I was like, "Damn." She wasn't less scary than in previous works. She was more intense, albeit wiser. But that's part of the appeal. She does what she wants, and she's extremely intelligent. I mean, Lumiya may not be the most powerful Sith person, but she was far better at navigating moral ambiguity than many leaders in the real world. No doubt.

 

I'm surprised Flint from the classic Marvel SW comics doesn't rate a mention.

 

This is what I was going to say - Lumiya is great, but I think Flint would win out for me. "The Apprentice" and "The Dream" are both excellent stories, maybe the old Marvel run's best.

 

In my headcanon, Vader has no apprentices.

Vader needs no apprentices.

 

The clone and original, maybe?

 

The clone vs. the original person. I'm sorry I forgot Flint. If you could add him to the list, I would appreciate it. Otherwise, please, delete this thread and I can start over.

 

Lumiya is one of the most successful Sith in terms of devastation caused and sheer impact despite not ruling like Vitiate, Palpatine, Caedus or Krayt. She’s cool both in her appearance(which is menacing and memorable) and her light whip-also her motivations.

Lumiya is arguably the most selfless Sith who ever lived. She didn’t pursue power or immortality for herself, or indeed anyone close to her-she was devoted entirely to the Empire and the Sith order.

She died willingly, and sacrificially for Jacen Solo. How much of this is due to Vader is questionable-but she is the best of his apprentices by far.

 

Thanks. I'm sorry. It's just been a long, long while since I read about Flint. I get used to those Versus series on Youtube, and I think it's obvious that Galen Marek and Mr. Starkiller are different individuals with different skill sets. Somewhat different personalities, honestly.

Lumiya, to me, is the most intriguing. Lumiya's skill set is actually amazing in that she combines the power and diversity of experience in her life to become as hard as Grievous with the mentality of Darth Zannah and Exar Kun. Lumiya is badass in that she was a student of philosophy from all Sith Lords, including Kun, Bane, Palpatine, and Traya. Very patient and very crafty mastermind, really. Jacen Solo was not easy to turn. Lumiya had to wait for other people work with him before she applied her own view of amoral pragmatism in her lessons. Amoral Pragmatism is a strange ideology, but it's more common in real life than others may mistakenly presume. I like the way that Karen Traviss depicts Lumiya as pretty much wiser than both sides, good and bad, and it's very grey for a villain. A grey philosophy for a vindictive and well-educated individual. I honestly think that Zannah, Traya, and Lumiya are the few Sith who had PhDs in the dark side, much like Darth Bane, Plagueis, and Malgus. To me, Sidious has an honorary master's degree in dark side lore, more like a high-tech liberal studies degree, but those other Sith actually did far more reading than Sidious. Sidious had this all this raw power from the dark side, whereas those other Sith read the books and experienced more of the galaxy. I don't think that Palpatine was all that well-traveled beyond Naboo and Coruscant. He was adept at controlling people, sure, but that's more sociopathic manipulation than earned gifts.

Lumiya believed in the earned gifts of sacrifice, and like Jacen and Darth Revan, she believed in the rawness of experience and moderation being able to guide one's intuition and reason. Revan, I recall, referred to it as sacrifice on the body, and Lumiya referred to it under a different pretense (or some would say reality of) sacrifice. She would agree with Thanos' method of perfecting a galaxy, say, and that's intriguing but also scary. Very amoral in a pragmatic sense, whereas Thanos would call it pure consequentialism.

 

Wonder where Kharys fits into this.

 

The S'kytri species is really cool. The story of Kharys waiting for Anakin to fulfill his promise to train her was a nice side story too.

This also brought to my memory the character of Hethrir.

Man, for a tortured soul, Vader sure did have a lot of apprentices.

 

Tao’s story is so tragic. One of the best obscure EU stories from the 2005 Star Wars manga. So shoutout for putting him here.

But Galen Marek/Starkiller from TFU is who I think of when I think of ‘“Vader’s apprentice.” And his story in TFU was a lot of fun and a great arc to sacrificing himself for the rebellion.

TFU 2….never happened as far as I’m concerned

 

Great artwork for Tao's story.

Totally agree. TFU2 should not have been made. The first story is fantastic.

 

Starkiller from the first Force Unleashed. Why? Simple: it's the only one of Vader's apprentices that exists in my head-canon...

 

And I can see why. Such an epic story.

 

I ultimatley don`t really like either of them, even if my dislike for Galen Marek and his Clone goes considerably deeper than the others.

 

Lumiya definitely

 

Agreed. Lumiya is the best. Galen is cool, but Lumiya is complex. She's both sadistic and sympathetic. Rare kind of character.

Honestly, I like her more than Darth Traya, and that's saying something. I think she was more rational than Traya. Hell, Darth Zannah is more rational than Traya, and I love Traya. Lol.

 

Thank you for Putting my old Video Here.

Lumiya IS the best.
Though I really Like all of Vaders "Family".

 

Np. Amongst Vader's former apprentices, Lumiya had the most success in terms of the dark side.