Who knew that Dooku was a Sith?

I'm just curious about this. I mean, in AOTC he never mentions that he's a Sith, the Jedi all just assume it - which seems a bit wild. Then throughout the Republic comics I've read, he's always denying that he's a Sith, calling himself just a simple Jedi. Besides Palpatine, who actually knew?

 

Apparently, Darth Sidious allows the Sith Apprentice to choose what he wants as a public identity:

Dooku apparently didn't use his alter ego of Darth Tyrannus as much as Darth Sidious.

In contrast, we know that Darth Vader didn't use his former identity at all and his Sith identity was the only public identity known.

It's unknown what public identity (if any) Darth Maul assumed, but he likely had one for semi-official purposes.

 

Was that the flashback scene in "Jedi: Count Dooku" when Tholme and Quin were trying to convince Mace about the assignment? I don't remember Dooku as Sith being mentioned, but I am very tired.

What got me about that scene, though, was that Tholme said that it was vital that no one else ebsides he, Mace, and Quin know the truth about his defection, and it's only later that Mace thinks of including Yoda.

 

Metinks Dooku never actualy was a Sith. He was just a fallen, dark jedi, but pretended to be Darth Tyranus for Sidious. I beliave the Seperatist tought of him as a Jedi. They wouldn't follow him, if he were a Sith. (but then again, Sidious led them after Dooku's death, soo... I don't know).

 

Most of the galaxy thought of Dooku as merely a Jedi whom thought the Republic to be beyond saving. You're correct. No one would sign up with the Confederacy if they knew Dooku was a Sith (and what a Sith was).

 

Sora and Quinlan's group of fallen Jedi seemed to be vaguely aware that Dooku was a Sith in the late game, but totally unaware of Sidious. Asajj and Grievous and I suppose Durge were the dedicated Jedi-killers, and Dooku seemed to keep them in a separate 'cell' from the fallen Jedi for the most part for obvious reasons. Asajj and Grievous (and maybe Durge?) knew Dooku was Sith, amd that he served Sidious. Confederate leaders as well. I think the Jedi speculated-but-couldn't prove it. Dooku in Dark Rendezvous indicates he serves Darth Sidious to Yoda, but that's not public truth and as of Labyrinth of Evil, Yoda is not talking about that confrontation even to Palpatine. Sidious had reasons for -not- wanting that disseminated, because if Dooku is an ex-Jedi, he can link the Confederacy with the "Jedi plot against the Republic". I don't know if anyone surviving knows. Maybe Khaleen, if she makes it out. Ventress, definitely, but if Ventress survives the Civil War I will be very surprised. Is Tholme dead yet? As for established characters, IIRC it's not clear if Mara even knew Palpatine was Sith. Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't seem to feel the need to tell anyone, nor dead!Anakin.

 

Possibly... Possibly not. some might be willing to believe that the sith were maligned by history and aren't evil. some might have grievances against the jedi and would rather ally themselves with the historical enemy of the jedi. some might not care so long as you kept your word (and payment) to them and let them share in the success. some might think that wacky religious beliefs aren't important.

 

IIRC Ventress surives in one of the latest Clone War comics. I would assume she survived the Purge and everything else. Now only to find out where she went off to...

 

Well, from various sources it's pretty much implied that at least a few of the Separatist leaders knew of Dooku's association with the Sith. Of the Separatist leaders, I find it likely that at least Nute Gunray, Poggle the Lesser, and San Hill were aware of Dooku being a Sith.

Wat Tambor seems unaware of Dooku's association, at least as of AotC...remember he refers to Dooku as "Count." Shu Mai was probably also pretty clueless to the truth. After all, she was concerned that what the CIS was planning could consitute treason. Passel Argente...well, we know so little of ol' Pas, it's hard to say. I'd say his knowledge of Dooku's Sith involvement is unlikely at best.

 

Darth Sidous refers to him as Lord Tyranus and also calls him "my apprentice" this concludes that he is in fact a sith since Sidious is the Dark lord of the sith and Dooku has been announced as his apprentice that makes Dooku officially a Sith! I know your probably thinking "but he said Lord Tyranus , not DARTH Tyranus" Right? Well you never really hear Palpatine refer to Anakin as Darth Vader either , but instead calls him "Lord Vader" throughout the entire OT . Yoda also Associattes Dooku as somewhat of a sith in AOTC when he says "The dark side I sense in you ...my old padawan".

 

^^Well said. Also, in Dark Lord a few Jedi just make the assumption that Darth Vader was the master they were all looking for, or that Vader was Dooku's new apprentice.

 

For whatever gain Dooku would find that strategy worth, I'd suspect that Sids would see right through the ruse, at any rate.

 

Sorry but no. In the scene just after Palpy offs Mace and Anakin's kneeling before him he says "Henceforth you shall be known as Darth Vader."

 

Actually, according to LoE, Nute Gunray learned that Dooku was Tyrannus a bit after Genososis, so I assume the other Separatist leaders were probably in on the take.

 

IIRC the Jedi Council weren't really sure if Dooku was an actual Sith or just calling himself one as they did not know that Sidious actually existed until LOE. That's when they knew. "He's a Sith Lord." "Chancellor, Sith Lords are our specialty."

But as for before, I'd say these people knew.

Ventress
Grevious
Jango Fett (remember, he says that Tyrannus hired him)

There are more but Jango Fett was a definite by that line and in the Visual Dictonary

 

Boba Fett knew that Dooku = Tyrannus, also. But would they necessarily think it was anything more than an alias?

I mean, in Open Seasons, when Tyranus and Jango meet for the first time (post-Galidraan), Jango assumes that he's a Jedi, and Dooku never corrects him.

 

That was when he was formally given his title. Casualy he refers to him as "lord vader."

 

He refers to Maul as Lord Maul as well, iirc. And Dooku and Grievous call him Lord Sidious.

 

Any quick check shows ya that Dooku was a Sith. Sorry.

There were probably a few in the know, but by and large no one has any idea. Same with the Emperor.

 

Especially since the ROTS VD goes to the extent of stating that Dooku actually began to think of himself as "Darth Tyranus" - and that the individual named "Dooku" was long gone.

 

Yup. Except, of course, where the public persona is concerned. This seems to be a common problem for Sith Lords. In DL, Vader has to work hard to suppress the Anakin within.

 

well, Sidious knows he's a Sith..

 

Odd, considering his musings in Revenge of the Sith (novelization) suggest the contrary.

 

Dooku has some of the most inconsistent characterization ever.