Who really changed the future, Jacen or Abeloth?

Another FOTJ theory, which I've been thinking over for the last few days.

Abeloth is saying that the Dark Man was supposed to sit on the Throne of Balance, but Jacen's actions changed the future. Now, somehow because of Jacen's actions, it will be Allana the Jedi Queen sitting on the Throne of Balance to oversee a peaceful future.

Abeloth has managed to convince some (such as the Fallanassi) that the future must be corrected, and the Dark Man must sit on the Throne.

But are we sure she's telling the truth?

Maybe the events of the last several series (LOTF, DNT, NJO, perhaps even further back) have all been influenced by Abeloth to prevent the future where Allana sits on the Throne? Perhaps it was Abeloth who changed the future to the one she desired, of the Dark Man taking the Throne, and it was Jacen who corrected the future? All the bizarreness of the last few decades IU could be traced back to Abeloth's influence and temporary success in changing the future to the one dominated by the Dark Man... maybe that's even why the young Jedi are going mad, because they've been shown that the reality they're living in was not meant to be, that maybe the moment Abeloth usurped the future for the Dark Man was back when they were children in the Maw during the Yuuzhan Vong War?

 

Nobody has any opinions?

 

I think this is still speculation really. Who is to say that Jaina ending the threat of Caedus isn?t actually what changed the future?

Did she convince them, or just absorb enough to corrupt them into her viewpoint?

Could be.

Perhaps she also corrupted the vision that Jacen had that led him to thinking he had to become a Sith to prevent that future, when he was actually playing right in to Abeloth?s plan to make him the Dark Man? Maybe she just usurped Jacen?s future by forcing him to go down the Sith path for her own ends, making him think they were noble? Though then where does Lumiya and potentially Vergere fall in this?





I am hoping we get some actual concrete answers to all this

 

It's stated that way in VORTEX, and the vision of Allana on the Throne of Balance first appeared before Jacen was killed.

It seems she only absorbed Akanah, maybe a few others, but most were still independent, just persuaded by her.

It hasn't been confirmed that Jacen was the Dark Man on the Throne of Balance, Luke still seems more likely, especially since Abeloth seems that future could still be restored (so it couldn't be Jacen, unless she can resurrect the dead). I'm not sure about Lumiya, but I am still sure that Vergere wasn't just another evil manipulative Sith that post-NJO literature has made her out to be.

 

Oh it was? Who said it?

I forget, did the rest of the Fallanassi know that Akannah was absorbed?

I would love if Vergere was involved in a way that fits rather than just as a name drop. I felt her character deserves more than she has really gotten.
That?s a good point about Luke, but Abeloth seems to be trying to kill Luke as well, so I don?t see how he could be the dark man then, if that is indeed her goal to insert the Dark Man back on the Throne.

 

Ive always assumed that Darth Krayt is the Dark Man.

We know that he's alive and well throughout the whole NJO-current time period.

 

There are two, in my own opinion viable, options that I can come up with:

1)When the Dark Man finally ascends the throne, and the vision has come true, the whole Throne of Balance thing is over. It's just there for the duration of a critical time or until the Dark Man vision comes true, even if the Dark Man's rule lasts just eight years as seems likely with Darth Krayt at this moment. In this version, a true sustainable "balance" or state of affairs could be achieved and there would be no longer be any need for a Throne of Balance.
2)The vision and all it entails will just run and run and for all purposes there will be no last person on the throne. In this version, there will be no lasting state, just endless struggle.

Personally, I think that we will, for all purposes, be denied of any meaningful answers.

 

Nice topic, and I am with Darth-Ghost here on this I think.


The Dark Man can be many things... one shouldn't restrict him to be a man. He is a role. He can be male or female. He can be anyone. And I tend to guess that, like with the TCW Mortis episodes, the Dark Man is kinda a "Son" replacement. For a long time, Anakin Skywalker had become the Dark Man calling himself Vader.

If tying the Dark Man vision to the connected White Eyes vision, then we had it already as early as Shadows of Mindor and Tatooine Ghost with Leia seeint it too! Back then it was Luke in danger of becoming the next Dark Man in Dark Empire. And after him, Anakin Solo was in danger to be the next. First upon Clonepalpatines plot to take the Solokids body, and then later with all his dreams and fears of becoming the next Darth Vader! Though these might have been visions of Jacen as Caedus rather than Anakin Solo, or they'd be about Anakin Solo's future had he not died a hero!

The Skywalker bloodline of Choosen Ones has a role to play and exists for more than just saving Vader from himself in ROTJ. Otherwise there would have been no need for forcestrong next generations of them. And like the Force is both, light and dark in balance, so the Skywalker Clan has roles not only in the light but in both realms of the Force. See Luke's temporary fall, Jacen's fall, Cades flirts with the Dark Side, the darkest Jedi ever named Jaina Solo, etc.

All Skywalkers flirted the Dark Side and had to balance it within themselves. So I guess, the Throne of Balance vision is about the Skywalker bloodlines role of keeping the Balance that Anakin Skywalker managed to restore.

Think of it like a pendulum swinging between light and darkness. Palpatine pushed it to the dark edge, Anakin in ROTJ pushed it back into the light. And since then it is swinging again, no longer locked into darkness. Thus the cycles of war and peace, light and darkness. The Skywalker bloodline now has to make sure it swings to the end until it finally remains in balance. Thus they have the role to keep it not locked into one side. Which means sometimes they destroy evil to keep it swinging to the light, sometimes they become evil to keep it not locked in the light. (light and dark here meaning creation vs. destruction as in Mortis trilogy).

This explains their role, their existance and the Dark Man vision and Throne of Balance to a degree. Of course there is more to it than just that.

The Galaxy is not united yet under one government in harmony. There was peace within a splintered galaxy. But to unify in harmony, another war had to come. And it came. Now a reunification summit is advancing galactic unification. Yet as of Legacy comics still there is much to do. And we probably see the final unifications in the allinace against Darth Krayt.


But back to the Dark Man and Throne of Balance:

Whoever it was supposed to be, Ben, Luke, etc. Jacen took up the mantle of Dark Man... and betrayed took it upon him to bring about war and destruction. Willingly and consciously like the first Skywalker ever UNDERSTANDING what he was doing, understanding his destiny. But in the end, every darkness needs to be balanced in light and even if some things he did not understand from the start but only at the end, he did learn them in due time. Accepting his necessary sad death at his sisters hands.

Abeloth and other warmongers want Darkness to prevail, the pendulum to no longer swing back. Others not understanding their role would not accept death and try to survive. Jacen Solo did not. Like Vergere and Lumiya, those three understood their role and destiny and its end in sacrifice. Be they light or dark or both. And that ensured the pendulum swinging on where Luke's Jedi tried to keep it in the light.

As we know Lukes New Jedi Order is changing and evolving. They are not perfect QuiGon Jedi yet. Close but not quite there. Thus they need some more lessons to reach their Fate of the Jedi.

Also, we've seen multiple times Sith and Jedi teaming up against Abeloth in FOTJ. This too shows like in Mortis both sid

 

I just, really don't understand why they are so against a black man being king????

 

Oh I was more referring to who originally was the Dark Man that was replaced, I see what you are saying though. I just misunderstood where in the timeline we were discussing

My point though is that it isn?t necessarily that Jacen became a Sith that changed the throne to Allana, perhaps it was that in Invincible, things were already set in motion for Jaina to defeat Jacen and change the throne to Allana. I think its premature to start crowning Jacen turning Sith as something that saved the galaxy, though I admit they could very well head in that direction.


I have always been thinking it was something Jacen did during his 5 year journey that changed the throne of balance and began the freeing of Abeloth, which is why I was hoping we would discover something new that Jacen did when he was away. Something that broke him or made him think that becoming a Sith was right, and then he saw the throne with the Dark Man sitting on it. So it was only after he originally set himself on that path that he saw the change on the throne, but he just didn?t recognize that it was his own doing. Jaina, by stopping Jacen from accomplishing all his goals, set the throne to Allana.


Regardless of which way they go, I really hope we get some answers, but fear we are running out of time for them in this series.

Yeah this is how I kind of viewed the throne, which is also why I don?t really like it. Because really, the Jedi could then just pop in every once in a while and check the throne to see how they are doing.

I feel that if they go with something this deep, they really should have kept Jacen more involved in the story so far in FotJ, and he really seems to be yesterdays news already. It does seem like they at least want to keep this idea as a possibility. I wish they would give a definitive full story for Jacen?s story though, and not

 

LANDO FOR PRESIDENT!!!

 

I fear the Codex may be long forgotten, as will any real connection with Jacen beyond simple name drops

But that may just be overly pessimistic on my part



I am very intrigued by the possible correlations though, so here's hoping!

 

I also fear for the lost tale of Zekk... they promised to tell it and add more plotlines to the story. But so far, I am still waiting for it. Zekk appeared but nothing got explained and no cancelled Blood Oath storylines so far weaved into FOTJ.

 

i think one reason zekks story isnt getting b\put in fotj is that it doesnt fit with whats being done

 

So you're proposing that by virtue of Jacen altering the flow, as Abeloth claims, Those Who Dwell Beyond the Veil did not return prior to or proximate to the death of their prophet? I hadn't considered this.

 

Here is a new totally crazy theroy. Ben was the dark man. In Invincible Jacen saw Allana on the throne of balance. So the dark man vision had to be changed before that. through out LotF Ben was training under Jacen, and unknowingly going down the dark path. In the end of Inferno Ben wanted to kill Jacen himself, he thought he deserved that, but Luke stopped him. If Ben had gotten his way, he would have been lost. Ben could have been a powerful, and probably a very dangerous sith or "dark man". When Luke stopped him from killing Jacen in Inferno, the future changed. I think the throne of balance was going to go to the next generation (ben or allana) so when ben turned back to the light allana assumed the throne.

 

Has anyobdy ever asked Troy or Aaron directly if they KNOW who the dark man on the throne is or was that completely left open for future exploration?

 

If Jacen was supposed to have seen this whole Throne of Balance vision before Dark Nest and Legacy of the Force, this whole thing was absolutely horribly executed. Because LOTF could have been a very interesting series if we'd gone into it with that knowledge, that Jacen's true motivation is to stop this nebulous Dark Man, that up to Abyss only Luke had ever had any visions of or spoken about, was what he feared and everything he did came from that fear and ultimately his selfishness about the galaxy in his time. Because we know that his vision and his attempts to change things ultimately bite him in the ass.. Firstly, he condemns his own soul in the process and causes as much schism and destruction as this Dark Man presumably would have and more over, Darth Krayt brings his legions of Sith to power some 90 years later and really brings the pain. Whatever Jacen's done, it has no lasting effect but to have condemned him.

By the Force, the execution of LOTF was horrible.

 

I have a personal theory that I was expecting the writers to indulge: That Palpatine was somehow aware of Abeloth's presence and thus stationed his most dangerous experimental weapons facility close by the Maw in order to deal with her if she ever permeated the void.

LFL has seemed inclined to directly connect Palpatine with the three previous arcs and threats: chronologically, Palpatine had proprietary knowledge of the Unknown Regions and the Yuuzhan Vong well before anyone else in the galaxy proper did, and was taking steps to repulse their invasion; UnuThul claimed that Palpatine's machinations (the assassination of Daxar Ies by Mara Jade) directly caused the creation of the Dark Nest; and Palpatine's agents, Vergere and Lumiya, were responsible for turning Jacen to the dark side.

It has been both surprising and disappointing that the writers have not made the obvious connection here and continued the theme started in NJO.

 

My question is what is Abeloth? In some instances she is a super force powered demi-god and then she's losing then she's wanting to be loved, then .....I just don't know