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Who was more dangerous and evil: the ancient Sith like Exar Kun, or Palpatine?

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  1. Raven

    Raven Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Right now, I?m mostly still in the pondering stage. Offhand, I?d give the nod to Palpatine, but I?m curious as to what others have to say.
     
  2. JediTrilobite

    JediTrilobite Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Palpatine. He was coming the entire time and you never see it until it's too late.
     
  3. MasterCheiff117

    MasterCheiff117 Jedi Youngling

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    The Master Cheif from halo would kick own them.
     
  4. JediTrilobite

    JediTrilobite Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    This is Lit, not random SciFi games. Go elsewhere.
     
  5. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Palpatine. He tried to take the Republic down from the inside, and he actually succeeded.
     
  6. DarthBoba

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    Palps. He succeeded where Exar didn't.
     
  7. ben_07

    ben_07 Jedi Master star 4

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    Palpatine. Exar Kun may be more powerful, but Palaptine is more clever and patient, and he WON. Purged Jedi, enslaved billions, discminated nonhumans, and just all around more pure-evil.

    Especially for something completely heartless and PURE evil thing he is resposible for in ROTS that I cannot reveal but it is far more evil than anything Exar Kun did or any Sith or any other act of Palpatine, to me. TRUE EVIL. I cried, and I usually don't cry about an event in a movie that's fiction. :_|
     
  8. masterskywalker

    masterskywalker Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Palpatine, he won. :p
     
  9. DarthBoba

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    And Exar Kun didn't have a cool Sith name like Darth Sidious.
     
  10. 7-7-7

    7-7-7 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Palpasidious had more potential for devestation, pain, and destruction. He came pretty close to becoming a god, he did the Jedi in to a degree never before achieved, and, according to Sun Tzu, his military/political victory was greater than anything that the previous Sith could have hoped to achieve: He managed to take control of the total resources of his enemy without causing damage to the infrastructure which kept those resources flowing, which the ancient Chinese spent a great deal of time trying to discover an effective method of achieving without success.

    If I were to meet Palpy or one of the ancients in a dark alley, I'd have to choose Palpy. In a straight-up Force and lightsaber battle, I don't think that Palpy would have stood up very long to Marka, Exar, Revan, Sion, or Bane. And that one guy from KOTOR2, the one with the mast whose name begins with an N, now he's pretty creepy. While Palpy could have taken total control of the galaxy with a great deal of effort, I think that this guy could have cleared out the galaxy just by existing.
     
  11. DarthBoba

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    But that guy didn't take over the galaxy with ease. Palpatine did. ;)
     
  12. GRAND_MOFF_KEVIN

    GRAND_MOFF_KEVIN Jedi Master star 5

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    Both are incredibly strong but Palps is the greatest Sith of all time with Exar being 2nd and Vader 3rd
     
  13. Suzuki_Akira

    Suzuki_Akira Jedi Master star 7

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    What kind of a question is that? In terms of overall danger, regardless of their fighting abilities it comes down to who is more dangerous to the galaxy.

    And which one succeeded?
     
  14. Esplin9466

    Esplin9466 Jedi Master star 4

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    And Exar Kun didn't have a cool Sith name like Darth Sidious.

    Got that right. I mean, Koon? What kind of self-respecting villain has a name like Koon? Cun wouldn't have been too bad, but no; it's Koon. Just . . . just wow. Who comes up with this stuff?

    Say Kevin J. Anderson and I'll punch you.


    Oh yeah: Palpatine is definitely more evil. Therefore, he is also more dangerous; the ancient Sith Lords, though powerful, were too busy tripping over their silly names to pose much of a threat. Case in point: Ludo Kressh. [face_laugh]
     
  15. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Kevin J. Anderson and I'll punch you.

    Why'd you tell me to say that?
     
  16. Esplin9466

    Esplin9466 Jedi Master star 4

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    To get you banned for threatening me. :eek:

    Everything is proceeding exactly as I have foreseen . . . [face_devil]
     
  17. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    7-7-7: Keep in mind that all the other Sith Lords you mentioned are superior to Nihilus. ;)
     
  18. academygrad88

    academygrad88 Jedi Master star 5

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    Palpatine. He fooled all the Jedi and then destroyed them. Can anybody else claim to have done that?
     
  19. Pellaeon-Firke

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    Dangerous? Sidious. He started with himself against the entire Republic, and won. He was the most powerful being ever to rule the galaxy. I'd say he's really dangerous.

    Evil? Still Sidious. He, Revan, Malak, and Kun have probably done the most evil to the galaxy overall, and the other 3 have something in common; they started as Jedi, meaning they have a sense of good. Palpatine, as far as we know, has always been evil, and has no good in his heart.

    I think Sids takes it on both counts.
     
  20. HandofSkywalker86

    HandofSkywalker86 Jedi Master star 4

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    In a straight up fight I'd take Kunstoppable over anybody save Luke. However the threat to the galaxy has to be Palpatine as he did take over the galaxy and nearly purged all the Jedi.

    Hand
     
  21. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Revan wasn't really maliciously evil: he's one of those who performed evil through so-called "good intentions".




    I'm pretty sure that Palpatine would wipe the floor with Kun, but I'm interested in some of the other Sith Lords--some of them have done some fearsome deeds with the Force.
     
  22. Chaotic_Serenity

    Chaotic_Serenity Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Isn't that like asking if Obi Wan's lightsaber is more blue than Anakin's? [face_thinking]

    I'll say Palpatine was the more effective evil doer. While Khun was certainly fairly underhanded himself, he certainly didn't do half the damage as old Sideous. Though I think Exar Khun was the last true Sith. Palpatine and Vader really just took the title more than they got into the pseudo-religiousy idea.
     
  23. Lord_Hydronium

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    Palpatine, all the way. He did was no other Sith Lord could dream of; rule the Republic. Not just conquer or destroy it, but make it his, bend it to his will, and what's more, have everyone do it willingly. That's the most frightening part; he didn't do it with armies or might, the people voluntarily and happily gave the galaxy to him.

    I'm not going to give any KOTOR II spoilers, but Darth Traya was probably the only one of the old Sith who could have given Palpatine a run for his money. And that's not through force or Force, but through the same tactics he used; deception and manipulation on a grand scale. For his sheer ability to bring people to his side and convince them to join his cause, maybe Revan as well, but I don't think Revan was subtle enough to go up against Palpatine. He was charismatic, but in a large, military way; people would flock to his side easily enough, but it was always in the open. Staying out of sight and doing all the dirty work in the shadows and through proxies wouldn't be his style.

    Ludo Kressh

    Having never read TOTJ, the only thing I think about when I read that name is Ludo Bagman from Harry Potter. A Sith Lord who's dumpy, over-exuberant, and annoying: not exactly the most frightening image.

    All the Darths get cool names: Revan, Malak, Sion, Nihilus, Traya, Bane, Sidious (awesome!), Maul, Tyranus, and Vader (equally awesome!). I guess there was a Rivan, too, but I have no particular feelings one way or another towards that name.

    Exar? Naga? Ludo? Freedon Nadd (nad lol)? Ragnos is the only one of the TOTJ Sith who got a cool name. Tulak and Ajunta are OK; not as bad as Ludo et al., but not particularly stunning.
     
  24. DarthBoba

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    Palpatine was the only one who unbalanced the Force just by being. Also managed to deftly manipulate the entire Senate and Jedi Order into giving him exactly what he wants until it's far too late. As side notes, corrupted the Chosen One, tricked his son into the Dark Side, banged Mara Jade, actually achieved that which every single other Sith only failed at-trying to get into the numero uno position over everyone in the entire galaxy-and turned the galaxy into a 45-year civil war zone.

    Not to mention has an ubercool Sith name.

     
  25. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Palpatine and Vader really just took the title more than they got into the pseudo-religiousy idea.
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    I'm not so sure about that. In the Empire comics, the Grand Moff Trachta refers to the leadership of the Empire as being a Theocracy, let by the Sith cult. Clearly there's a reason for this belief.

    Also, in the same comic series, Lord Vader says at one point that there was a Jedi wielding a lightsaber abouts, which was blasphemy.




    [b]Hydronium[/b]: Someone who can fool by being unseen and someone who can fool and still be out in the open are equivalent, in my mind. I'm not of the opinion that someone who's hidden is more brilliant than someone who does it out in the open.

    And when all is said and done, what Lady Traya did wasn't nearly on the scale of what Lord Revan managed.

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    [b]Boba[/b]:

    ...[i]banged[/i] Mara Jade?

    Well, as you know...

    Luke Skywalker redeemed the Chosen One, singlehandedly restored the Jedi Order, was the most influential in overthrowing the Empire, has proven to be a survivor, AND has banged Mara Jade.

    I suppose he must be one hell of a Jedi, then, huh? ;)
     
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