Who were the Vong's ancient nemesis?

Like it was such a whopping big deal, we waited 19 books to find out some long ago enemy subjucated the Vong homeworlds in their galaxy and their machines. So I'm figuring, could they be the future enemy in Dark Nest? A bit like these Tofs and Nagai things, chasing each other?

It's either that, or Unicron himself paid the Vong a visit, which anyone sitting in a cinema in '86 will understand what I meant. I mean, they'd have to have made a pretty heavy impact on the Vong to create such intense millenia mad hatred of them . . . yet they don't recall who they were.

Intriguing . . . yet a bit suspicious. Of course, this would mean they too travelled over here, mmm?

 

Excellence: Intriguing . . . yet a bit suspicious.

You're right, of course. We don't even get a name for them...

I could draw a parallel with the barbarian invasions here, of course - if the Yuuzhan Vong are the Goths - which, of course, they are (cf. Star by Star)... then we've not met the Huns yet...

I can't really ask for too many subtle chords with my own professional evaluation of the "decline and fall of the Roman Empire" ( ), but in broad terms, everything does kinda fit rather neatly...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Well I don't recall exactly what you're talking about. The Vong were machine users that were subjugated by bio users millenia ago? And thus why they lost their Force attuneness?

Well maybe the ancient Vong and these "Subjugators" integrated over the millenia into the current species we see today?

 

Didn't the TUF say that all the old wars where the Vong earned their stripes (like Czulkang) were just fought between Domains?

 

It was the Decepticons.

 

Well that would explain their hatred of technology.

 

Borg.

 

The Jedi. It only makes sense since they were created by the Sith.

 

shade: you sure that the YV ain't the Jedi? The more I think about it, the more it strikes me that there's nothing inherrently Sith in 'em... nothing that couldn't be Jedi...

Not that that necessarily means much, as the example of the YV themselves shows...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

We don't have a name for the ancient Vong Nemesis.
And we don't have a species for the Far Outsiders.

We suspect they are the Vong, but we don't have proof (IIRC). We don't even know what they used to attack Zonoma Sekot (sp?). They could also be the threat behind the Vagaari.

And maybe the Far Outsiders - the ancient nemesis of the Vong - isn't one species, but many. Like a new religion - there is no dark side - using Jedi and Sith powers of the force and also 'machine weapons' and 'living weapons'. Remember, if you don't use everything you could use you are limiting your resources.

So the Fosh, the Killik and the Rin (is that the gypsy species?) could all be part of the Far Outsiders. A setting like the Founders, Jem Ha'dar and that other species in Star Trek mixed with the retreating species theme (shadows) from B5. They are the Dark Nest, the real bad threat from the UR Formbi tried to warn about twice (once through his clone in TTT, once in SQ by introducing the Vagaari).

 

**We suspect they are the Vong, but we don't have proof**

They are the Vong. The proof is Vergere. Who else would she have left with?

 

They are the Vong, because Shimrra killed the Commander who found ZS.

 

It's either that, or Unicron himself paid the Vong a visit, which anyone sitting in a cinema in '86 will understand what I meant. I mean, they'd have to have made a pretty heavy impact on the Vong to create such intense millenia mad hatred of them . . . yet they don't recall who they were.

"That which does not become a part of the One shall become one with the void."

It makes a certain kind of horrible sense if you stop to think about it . . .

 

If it really was Unicron, it would explain how nearly every planet in the Vong's old galaxy was rendered uninhabitable...

 

The Borg.

The Vong are Klingons, therefore their nemesis was the Borg.

 

It would be a devestating plot twist, to thave this Nemesis come after the Vong to finish off what was started, to have them increasingly helpless, and whether the NR will come to their aide---particularly if the Nemesis isn't attacking the NR!

Or perhaps they're the insectoids in Dark Nest?

 

Are you saying that the Vong were the Jedi of their galaxy? Cause their nemesis, i think didnt chase them out. after the Vong were attacked, the Vong started an intergalactic war... purged an entire galaxy of any life not similar to theirs... Fall to the dark side... be stripped of the force... The most probable situation is that Yuuzhan'tar follows them, cause it was never mentioned what the planet did after it exiled the VOng.

 

It's either that, or Unicron himself paid the Vong a visit, which anyone sitting in a cinema in '86 will understand what I meant.

I never saw the movie in the theater when it was released in '86, I first saw it on video and later over the course of a week on TV. The nice thing there was they'd "rewind" to the last minute or two showeed the previous day, as well as the previous thirty seconds to a minute after each commercial break, so that you didn't miss anything. Not to mention the fact that they played Bush Touch music video for the movie which I really wish had made it onto the movie DVD.

But today kids don't have to have seen the movie two know about Unicron thanks to the two latest tv shows, Armada and Energon. Personally, both shows lack much of the G1 series (Ironhide as more of a rookie kid instead of the tough veteran those of us watching G1 came to know and morun early in the movie?), and Unicron seems less of a threat.

 

Not to mention the fact that they played Bush Touch music video for the movie which I really wish had made it onto the movie DVD.

It's on the Australian (Region 4) DVD. In all it's 1980s glory...

Jealous?

 

Anyway, Unicron is just an AU Galactus...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Mmmm, I don't know . . . It'd be hard to argue Coruscant isn't a good Cybertron. And they're all moving planets: Sekot, Mrs Sekot, Unicron, Cyber. Now, all we need is Eddy Murphy to impersonate them all at a dinner table and let the wind take its course . . .

I think a lot is being left unsaid, and more is to come. The Vong were left intact for a reason. I better stop conjecturing before I say the Jabbitha is synonomous with the Farscape Leviathan.

 

it was microsoft,that would make anyone hate technology.

 

as far as whether or not there will be alliance against this new threat between the YV and NR --- "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ?!?!

 

Hmm...

Catalaunian Fields?

Well, SW always did rip off Foundation...



- The Imperial Ewok

 

Personally I don't think we'll ever get a definitive answer to this question.

We KNOW the Vong ARE the Far Outsiders in Rogue Planet because they took Vergere and she later shows up with the Vong in NJO and relates the entire story to Jacen Solo.

If the Vong truly came from another galaxy then I don't think it matters because they defeated whomever it was in their home galaxy a long, long time ago. Knowing the Vong their old enemy isn't even alive in any form today if they had any say in the matter.

One possibility that nobody has mentioned is the Rakata. If the Vong did indeed originate from Zonama Sekot and head out into the void only to come back millenia later... maybe they were the ones who brought down the Rakata Empire? Then the bioteched themselves to a point where they had sterilized the midichlorians in their bodies and could not long feel the Force. Their intelligent homeworld forced them into exile as punishment for forcing their own will on nature and using it to kill.