Why are the ancient sith lords so pathetic?

IMO, expect for Darth Bane and Darth Nihilus(thats one creepy mutha **** all the old sith lords seem to have no sense of tactics or stratagy in terms of overthrowing the republic. Also, what were the point of sith academies if they were all going to kill each other anyway?

 

you're forgeting Tulak Hord, the greatest lightsaber duelist in history. Naga Sadow happened to also be a powerful Sith lord.

Oh yeah, you're forgetting one more...who is it?..oh yeah...REVAN!!!

 

Yeah....




...Revan


How can you even talk about ancient Sith Lords and tactics and not think of Revan?

 

Revens a good villian, but he reminds me too much of Anakin,thats not meant to be an insult though. Hed beat the s#it out of that punk Jacen Solo

 

I don't think that's the case. The only Sith Lords we know of are...

Exar Kun and Ulic Qel Droma: A mystic and a described military genius that managed to seperate their goals of destroying the Jedi (the real goal) and conquering the Republic (which they almost suceeded in).

Darth Revan and Darth Malak: Ditto.

All the prior Sith to Naga Sadow (who had no idea what he was doing but actually BOTHERED to act like a Sith) didn't attempt to overthrow the Republic at all.

 

How about Darth Sidious? Or Exar Kun? Or Revan and Malak?

Most Sith Lords weren't military men.

I'm sure everyone killing each other off wasn't the original plan.

 

Alright, alright, lol, i was making a generalization. However, some of them would fit better in saturday morning cartoons or tmnt rather then Star Wars. SW is famous for having Palpatine, Vader, Tarkin, etc-the most evil bastards in the universe

 

True enough, but then again I'd imagine that if there really was a drug that made you more evil the more you used it, most of its users WOULD end up like TMNT villains.

And then the really exceptional Sith lords would use the evil crack addicts as tools.

 

lol, maybe theyll make another old republic book covering something like that

 

The Bando Gora used specially modified deathsticks to get people to "join" their cult, in Bounty Hunter. Evil crack addicts, indeed. Jango Fett wiped them out, however, on the behest of Dooku.

Let me tell you, many monkey men died at the wrong end of my flamethrower.

 

lol

By "drug that made you more evil the more you used it," I meant the dark side.

 

I know.

But when you mentioned evil crack addicts, it made me wistful for the time I spent roasting cultists on my Gamecube. Ah, those were the days.

 

Well, Ancient Lords of the Sith might come soon again, after all weren't we promised a lot more into Darth Andeddu? He could be from that period, and it would allow modern day starwars authors to go and do a little fixing around the Old Sith Era to make it fit more with the more shiny of Sith like Nihilus and Revan.

 

A percentage of them were conceived and written by Kevin Anderson, who insists on teening everything he writes. The ramifications result in, of course, a childish air to characterisation. In the case of The Sith Lords Sith Lords, you were specifically told not to get Forceful with them . . . but that's precisely what you did in that skeletally incomplete game. What to list some name syou had in mind, Thrawnfan, rather than generalise? Targets the HUD better.

 

This is exactly what made Bane's Sith so extraordinary. Prior to him, the Sith were determined to conquer the galaxy openly as Sith, not understanding that the galaxy won't just roll over in the face of evil. Bane understood that to conquer the galaxy, you had to turn the galaxy against the Jedi, pretend to be working for the good of the galaxy.

 

There's also great patches of unexplored Ancient Sith History. More than a few good Sith in the New Sith Wars....

 

Err... Isn't Star Wars supposed to be a saturday morning cartoon?

As for the abilities of the Sith Lords, it's in the nature of the story that they have to lose at one time or another. Depending on how big the story is you can't concentrate on every aspect of their career. But the single fact that these are Sith Lords elevate them to a status where the audience should realize that these are on a similar level to Vader or Palpatine, and not some random punks.
Except for the stories where you have lots and lots of Sith running around - the minor Sith then seem to be genuine random punks...

 

Hey! don't knock TMNT! If Shredder was a SW villain (Sith Lord?) with the exact same dress as in TMNT, Jedi would give up simply upon seeing him! Only Kyle could go face to face with him...and they'd be almost darn equal!

(oy, so much of what I just said was blasphemy...)

 

Nah, only the part about Shredder almost being Kyle's equal. Everything else was spot-on.

 

Ancient Sith Lords are pathetic because they were written mostly by Kevin J Anderson.

 

I don't see many of the Ancient Sith Lords as being "Pathetic". Let us see what we have....

Naga Sadow - Launched a huge attack at the Republic. The ONLY reason it turned out so bad was that he mishandled Gav. When Sadow was sitting in his Meditation sphere directing the war and tossing out illusions....he was winning the war. It's doubtful that without Gav, anyone would have found Sadow's Sphere and realized that it was the key to the war. In the end he was forced to retreat....pathetically destroying a few STARS. Not a few puny ships people....STARS.

Freedon Nadd - He was able to posthumously control an entire planet for many generations. Most people can't even control a planet when they are living.

Exar Kun - Killed the guy who controled said planet. Seduced a bunch of Jedi Knights....walked into the REPUBLIC SENATE CHAMBERS and had his way with the leader of the Senate...killed his own Master easily and freed his sidekick, Ulic. He also managed to convince his seduced Jedi to go slay their own Masters...and finally he destroyed Ossus.

Ulic Qel-Droma - One of the more "Pathetic" lords.....he really didn't have what it took to be a Sith...in my opinion....he seemed to still have reservations now and then. He did manage to subdue Mandalore and get him to fight for him. He launched several successful campaigns against the Republic and probably would have taken Coruscant if it wasn't for Alema.

Revan - Cut through the Mandolorian threat like warm butter. Turned around and had a good chance of conquering the Republic before being betrayed by his sidekick, Malek during a standoff with several Jedi. Came back to the Light and destroyed his Sith Order almost singlehandedly.

Malek - Probably one of the more pathetic Lords. He needed a Jedi strike team to distract his Master so that he could betray him....and he still didn't succeed. He was more of a Brute than a tactical Genius.

Lord Kaan - He looks pathetic near the end of the War but he presented a pretty significant challenge for the Republic. Any time when you can assemble a group to truly pose a threat to the Establishment...it's pretty impressive.

Darth Bane - Given his late start at learning the force...he managed to thrash someone that was thought to be the "Sith'ari", beat up his lightsaber teacher in one on one combat...and made sure that the Sith Order survived.

Darth Sidious is a whole different story and Darth Vader was "The Chosen one", but how many of these "Pathetic" Lords make Darth Maul look like a joke? How many would eat Darth Nihl and Darth Talon for lunch? I say all of them.

Carnage

Scion/Nihilus - Kind of lame Sith Lords....on one hand you can say Nihilus was powerful with the whole eating worlds things but as we know he could not control his "Hunger". Still.....he could destroy entire worlds. That isn't so pathetic.

 

I'm thinking a great deal of the point of KOTOR II's titular Sith Lords was that they were pathetic. Niether of them exhibited significant force of will, or any control over their 'powers'. Traya is the only one who isn't a joke, and her skill is significantly more along the lines of Palpatine without the prodigious Lightning-spewing Force strength.

 

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Nice..