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WHY Can't Darth Vader Use Force Lightning?

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  1. masterjedi747

    masterjedi747 Jedi Master star 3

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    Guys, seriously. I don't get it. Why can't Darth Vader use force lightning? :confused:And I want to hear some good, solid, logical, in-universe explanations. Not just "because this source said so"....I want someone to give me a real reason, not an excuse.

    Objection #1: Darth Vader does not have a real hand, only a robotic one.
    It doesn't matter. We see Darth Vader choke other people with his hand, and rip machines off of the wall and throw them at other people with his hand, stop blaster bolts with his hand, call his lightsaber to hand, and do just about everything else with his hand that any experienced force user could do. The thing here is that the brain recognizes the prosthetic limb, whether it is robotic or not. The brain is still sending electrical impulses to move the arm (just as it would have done for the original arm), and the arm is still sending back the normal electrical impulses to the brain. In fact, the brain would still be sending out those electrical impulses to the arm, even if there was no arm to recieve or respond to those impulses. The brain can't tell the difference.

    Objection #2: Using force lightning would short-circuit Darth Vader's suit.
    Sorry, but no. Force lightning does not directly come out of the user's hand....it materializes a few milimeters off of their fingertips. It doesn't actually come into direct contact with the user, or physically harm or burn them in any way. Their fingers aren't smoking and burning after they finish blasting someone. So it really shouldn't hurt Vader's suit at all.

    So what else am I missing? Where have I gone wrong? Any information here would be tremendously appreciated. Thanks in advance! :)
     
  2. Vaders-Apprentice

    Vaders-Apprentice Jedi Youngling

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    Well to be honest, i think Lucas hadnt thought up force lightning untill ROTJ and decided the Emperor could use it, so now viewers are thinking 'hang on why didnt Vader fry Luke at Bespin?'

    Eventually we see AOTC in which Dooku uses force lightning, great we think, maybe there'll be some Vader/lightning action in ROTS.......but because we never see Vader use it in the OT, Lucas decides to have it so that Vaders cybernetics prohibit him from conjuring this particular force power. A bit strange seeing as Anakin is able to force choke with a missing hand in the clones wars cartoons.

    Sorry if that was a bit long winded but basically Vader cant use sith lightning because Lucas hadnt thought of it up until we see Palpy use it!
     
  3. Rogan_Agar

    Rogan_Agar Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The answer to your question would be a huge EPISODE III spoiler. Check out the Spoiler forum! You will find all the answers you need!
     
  4. WayOfTheLight

    WayOfTheLight Jedi Youngling

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    I think it was because the Emperor never taught it to him. He wanted to limit Vader's abilities. The way of the Sith is for the apprentice to kill the master and thereby become the new dark lord. Palpatine, however, had no intention of letting that happen. I always thought he wanted Anakin's power on his side, but in such a way that Anakin would be dependent upon him. So while he was promising Vader more power, he was actually holding him back. If you notice in the OT the only dark side power he used was the force choke. And even then I think there must be something natural about that power. Luke used it in ROTJ. Where did he learn it, from Obi-Wan or Yoda? I doubt it. Since the force connects all things, telekenisis (sp?) comes naturally. And the choke is just an extention of this. No, the Emperor hid from Vader the higher mysteries of the dark side to keep him in line.
     
  5. SITHlover

    SITHlover Jedi Youngling star 2

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    So far, based on the 5 movies at this time, Vader DIDN'T use force lightning. I haven't seen anything that says he CAN'T. We will have to wait for ep III.
     
  6. masterjedi747

    masterjedi747 Jedi Master star 3

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    The answer to your question would be a huge EPISODE III spoiler. Check out the Spoiler forum! You will find all the answers you need!
    Provide me with a link. Because I generally keep myself up-to-date on most Episode III spoilers, and I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
     
  7. masterjedi747

    masterjedi747 Jedi Master star 3

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    **Moderators**
    I will be posting another copy of this thread here, over here in the Episode III Spoilers Forum, to see if I can come up with any more answers in regards to this discussion. If you feel that this version of the thread should indeed be closed, then please feel free to do so. Otherwise, I will simply let this discussion continue as before, in case anyone else has more to say. Thanks! :)
     
  8. Darthgenius77

    Darthgenius77 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I think he can, he just has never used it that we have seen. He didn't need against obi-wan, and he wasn't willing to use it against Luke. So i just think he hasn't used it, not that he can't, but that he hasn't.
     
  9. SLAVE2

    SLAVE2 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Objection #2: Using force lightning would short-circuit Darth Vader's suit.
    Sorry, but no. Force lightning does not directly come out of the user's hand....it materializes a few milimeters off of their fingertips. It doesn't actually come into direct contact with the user


    I don't think theres enough proof in the films to say it comes out a few milimeters off the fingertips, and it wouldn't have to touch Vader's fingertips if the metal in his suit attracted the lightning like a lightning rod.
     
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