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why can't Jedi fly??????

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Revived_AnakinSolo, Sep 27, 2002.

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  1. Revived_AnakinSolo

    Revived_AnakinSolo Jedi Youngling star 1

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    they can make other objects hover, or fly, and can do the same for people, y cant they themselves hover or fly??

    im not saying they should be able to, i just dunno y they cant
     
  2. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    Cause it would look lame.
     
  3. JediMike821

    JediMike821 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    In a way they can. They can jump really high and possibly hover for short periods of time. But as to flying around....good question. Maybe its against some rule or something.
     
  4. kowikan_monkey

    kowikan_monkey Jedi Youngling star 2

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    It's been stated before, in a lot of books that the strain would be too much. Specifically, in the NJO book (can't remeber the title :D) with Corran and Ganner on that rocky planet with the lost researchers, Ganner specifically states that he couldn't be able to lift themselves and fly over the area, even with his huge powers. Does this answer your question?
     
  5. DarthKarde

    DarthKarde Jedi Knight star 5

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    It would be pathetic.
     
  6. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Anyone can fly. All they have to do is aim for the ground and miss... ;)
     
  7. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    They can and have,

    Luke for instance walks on the lava (flies), Luke flies down from his exploding X-Wing in Courtship of Princess Leia, Luke was flown by the Emperor's force storm etc

    They just have X-wings and stuff that usually makes this redundant

    Can the pathetic comments, these are pretty good scenes
     
  8. evanchester

    evanchester Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Yoda used the force to lift up an X-Wing that probably weighed about ten times him, so I think that he can fly himself around if he wanted to.
     
  9. CBaoth_The_Crazy

    CBaoth_The_Crazy Jedi Padawan star 4

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    They probably couldn't really "fly", but instead, sort of hover over the ground for a short period of time...
     
  10. Sturm Antilles

    Sturm Antilles Former Manager star 6

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    They can. The closest we get to see, though, is Anakin's controlled fall in AotC.
     
  11. Myaha

    Myaha Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I thougt they CAN fly... okay, it's only stated in the WotC RPG but there a Force-user can learn to fly at quite a nice speed

     
  12. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    I don't know how odd this will sound.

    When we look at it logically we see Yoda lifting heavy objects twice now. If he wanted to he could have levitated Luke and such.

    The only way to explain away the idea of being able to lift yourself might be analogous to a weightlifter. He might be able to get a few hundred pounds over his head but can't lift himself. He can of course do pullups with his own weight though.

    What I'm getting at is since you are the focus for your own power it may be a crutch of sorts that you can't as easliy lift yourself. And even the most powerful Force users can at best hover, levitate, walk on water, jump really high and survive long falls.

    Something like that :)
     
  13. Invid_Clone

    Invid_Clone Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I guess, in theory, a Jedi could use the Force to levitate himself in some manner. If a Jedi can have sufficient control over some objects, he might as well be able to have some control over his own body. "Size matters not" and all that. Luke has done it before in some of the sources quoted on this thread.

    Now flying like Superman does...I guess that'd look hokey and perhaps it's rather more difficult for a Jedi. Not only would the Jedi have to levitate himself to a considerable height, he'd also have to exert some sort of (pardon the pun) force -- kinetic or whatever -- to propel himself and maneuver through the sky. Yet, for a sufficiently trained and powerful Jedi, this should not be impossible. Yoda was strong enough in the Force that by appyling neough power and will he could make his aging, small body move extremely fast or make exceedingly high leaps and bounds (for his height, anyway). And if at 900 he could lift an X-Wing, why shouldn't he be able to levitate or even "fly" in some small way?

    But again, I guess flying Jedi would make them rather comic-booky, moreso than Unca George possibly had in mind for his warrior-monks.
     
  14. YoungJedi11

    YoungJedi11 Jedi Knight star 5

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    evanchester, I think the X-Wing weighed a little more than 10 times Yoda's weight. So yes, he really should be able to make himself do it. I don't think they'd do it Superman style with one arm out and such, but just lift themselves up and around. Kind of like Yoda's cool little floaty thingy in AOTC.
     
  15. Mateo

    Mateo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    What about in DFR and SOTEE comic versions when Luke and Joruus C'Baoth levitate themselves into the air during meditations?And Yoda had to be levitating himself alittle bit during his fight with Dooku because he was doing triple back flips in midair without landing.
     
  16. Kadue

    Kadue Jedi Knight star 5

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    I think that to answer this question, you'd have to look at the way in which Jedi can cause objects to move.

    Taken from what we have seen, a Jedi can move any object around them, no matter the size (dependant on their abilities, and their belief that they can do it). But how does this work? Can they just use the "current" of the Force to pick it up and move it, or do they use the Force as an extension of their own body and "pick" it up and move it.

    From what we've been told of the nature of the force, I tend to think that the second option is what happens. That means that in essence, the Force user doing the moving acts as a kind of fulcrum for the movement. So to do something like an extended leap, or slowing a fall, this would be how they make the movement. They'd be trying to pull the area that they are jumping to closer to them, but since it's generally immovable objects (or they use a proportional amount of the Force so they don't rip something like a cat-walk apart), it acts in reverse and pulls them towards the object. The reverse would apply in falling, as they are trying to push the ground away, and thus slowing themselves down.

    So to fly, since the Force user would be the fulcrum, they can't just pick themselves up, so they'd have to fly in a different manner. It would be possible to grab a hold of an object and pull yourself towards it, but you'd constantly be having to change your grip to keep moving. Also, we've seen that Jedi can't grab objects from an unlimited distance away, there is a finite limit to their "reach", so just grabbing the horizon wouldn't help. So to keep moving, you'd need objects in the air to grab, and you'd be expending a large amount of power and concentration to keep moving, altering grips, and push yourself away from the ground to negate the effects of gravity.
     
  17. Night4554

    Night4554 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    [face_laugh] @ Genghis

    ¤Night
     
  18. jawamonkey

    jawamonkey Jedi Padawan star 4

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  19. stung4ever

    stung4ever Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    "They probably couldn't really "fly", but instead, sort of hover over the ground for a short period of time..."

    We see Yoda doing this in AOTC, right after Anakin's meeting with Palpatine, while Yoda's talking with Obi-Wand and Mace discussing Anakin's misson with Padme.
     
  20. The_Standmaiden

    The_Standmaiden Jedi Knight star 5

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    Emus do so have wings! . . . Don't they?
    Superman can't fly either, just jump really high.
    It would probably be really draining for a Jedi to fly . . . and with a lot more dangreous consequences if they lost control than lifting a ship.
     
  21. jawamonkey

    jawamonkey Jedi Padawan star 4

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    http://www.ihaveawebsite.com/images/places/au/This%20Is%20An%20Emu.jpg

    looks pretty wingless to me

    EDIT: so that flap i thought was just more feathers does kind of look like a wing .. hmm .. good thing my names not steve irwin
     
  22. sdp

    sdp Jedi Master star 2

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    because superman would be a jedi then.
     
  23. jawamonkey

    jawamonkey Jedi Padawan star 4

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    okay i just found this

    "Emu wings are only 6 inches long and therefore they cannot fly, however they grow to 5 to 6 feet tall and normally weigh 90 to 140 pounds"

    so they have wings .. *hangs head in shame* now i look an idiot
     
  24. Kadue

    Kadue Jedi Knight star 5

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    Actually, Yoda isn't flying in that scene in the Jedi Temple with Mace and Obi-Wan, he's on a hover chair.
     
  25. Revived_AnakinSolo

    Revived_AnakinSolo Jedi Youngling star 1

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    i was just rereading I, Jedi...and Corran said he'd need a boost up to some ledge, so Luke just held out his hand and Corran floated up....
    i figure if they can do that, and have enough control to just float things in any direction, that they could "float" themselves in any direction, regardless of gravity and other nature laws
     
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