PT Why Count Dooku's eyes weren't yellow?

Wasn't he a sith ? I thought all siths that have embraced the dark side have yellow eyes. Even Maul had yellow eyes.(whom was far weaker than Dooku.)

Does this mean that Dooku wasn't that much evil ?

 

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hi you might find some answers to the thread above quite useful too.

My answer is that we weren't supposed to know that Dooku was a Sith lord until we see him with Sidious at the end of the movie, having him with yellow eyes would have ruined the surprise

IU answer the same way we don't see Anakin with yellow eyes all the time in ROTS when he becomes Vader. It appears yellow eyes occur when you are 'in the moment' or tapped into the darkside

that's how I look at it

 

1-) Maul isn't weaker than Dooku.


--- Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know (2015)

2-) Yeah, Maul calls Dooku as ''Sith pretender'', and Dooku was a ''proton torpedo'' according to Emperor, not a loss like Maul was.

Emperor: ''And my apprentices? Darth Maul was a loss, but Darth Tyranus. He was a proton torpedo.''
--- Darth Vader #20: End of Games, Part I

Snoke, Kylo Ren and Dooku doesn't have yellow eyes, because they are not Sith.

 

I thought everyone with a Darth title is a sith.

Also in some ways maul was weaker than dooku. Maul failed to beat obi wan while dooku was always over powering and beating obi wan in his duels.

 

As far as I know you are correct

He was Sidious' apprentice so yes technically he was a Sith lord.

 

That is just a title, it doesn't prove anything. Venamis also used the Darth title, but he wasn't a Sith Lord.

Obi-Wan cheap-shotted Maul when Maul was laughing at him and Maul thought that Obi-Wan was unarmed, he surprised him with Qui-Gon's lightsaber in the last moment, Maul already defeated him in the duel before.

Also Obi-Wan is amped against Maul, since Maul killed Obi-Wan's father figure and his master Qui-Gon Jinn, which is why Obi-Wan performed better against Maul, it's circumstantial, like Luke performed better against Vader.

 

No. We simply don't see Dooku being that much immersed in the dark side to see them (also, as pointed out, Dooku was supposed to be an ambiguous figure in AOTC, and Christopher Lee doesn't really need any accentuation in physical/visual traits for that). Like Palpatine and Anakin, he can get them. We simply didn't get any scenes that deserved them.

He does get the yellow eyes in a couple of scenes in The Clone Wars.

That's correct. The forename is a reflection of being a Sith Lord.

 

My bad, as @Alexrd says, there is a small part in the animation where Dooku had yellow eyes in the Clone Wars.

It's probably a stylistic choice.

Even the Grand Inquisitor had yellow eyes;





And even Quinlan Vos for a moment;

"Don't you dare lie to me now, Asajj Ventress," Vos snarled. She looked up at his Sith-yellow eyes again, and this time she saw tears on his cheek. Impulsively, she reached out to him, stepping forward. ''
--- Dark Disciple

 

Yeah. I remember even Cade had sith eyes at some points of legacy comics.

 

As I understand it, the yellow eye effect is a product of deep immersion in the dark side of the force. There are a few times Dooku gets the yellow eyes mostly during rituals and the like in TCW, or when he was angry, but in the PT he is usually in a stoic mood and not delving deep into the dark side or fueling his own rage and hate

 

I agree with the above. I also think that this is a reflection of Dooku’s calculating and measured persona. In the PT, Dooku is almost always in complete control of himself. Dooku is disciplined and considered whilst using his lightsaber. He is the classic master swordsman of the whole saga. Dooku is also a seasoned manipulator. In many ways, Dooku reminds me of Hannibal Lecter. Both are cultured, charming aristocrats and capable of committing horrendous acts without batting an eyelid.

 

I agree that Dooku had the ability to use the Dark Side without becoming so immersed in it that he lost control. He must've come close, but didn't go overboard.

Besides, I'm sure Christopher Lee had no intention of wearing "evil eye" contacts again. He'd had enough of those during his Hammer days.

 

I always thought it just meant being fully immersed in the Dark Side. Dooku merely used it as a means to his own ends. Indeed, when Anakin turns, he only has the Sith Eyes twice (one after slaughtering the Separatists, and the other when clinging onto the slope after the duel.) The rest of the time, he had his regular eyes.

 

He did have to be the public representative of the Separatist movement, and if his eyes were yellow someone would pick up on the fact that that’s bad.

 

Dooku is a Sith. Even if Sidous considered him a placeholder, he was still the formal apprentice of Darth Sidious. Almost positive George said he was the apprentice. This is not really up for debate.

 

The reason Dooku's eyes were normal, I think it might just be because he's......human.

I mean, let's look at the yellow-eyed guys:
Maul - red and black face, horns on his head --> not human
Sidious - if we go by the theory that the wrinkly face is his true face, then that doesn't look really human either
Anakin - if we go by the theory that Sidious or Plagueis created him, then he wasn't formed from the fertilization of a human ovum by a human sperm. He was grown in a human uterus yes, but that was just a growth medium; he was created from midichlorians. That's hardly human.

So I think an individual has to be non-human and deep in the dark side to have the yellow eyes.

 

His vanity demanded that he wear contact lenses.

Speaking seriously, though, the Sith eyes (except for the Emperor in ROTJ, and it's not explained there what his deal is) are mostly an idea from the prequels that the sequel trilogy didn't pick up. But The germ of the idea goes back to the 1970s when George Lucas wanted his "Sith knights" in early drafts to have makeup based on The Exorcist.

 

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I think Sith Lords are different or something... like it depends on what level with the force you are and how you use it it might transform your eyes and/or do things of that nature
or it might not because it just depends essentially.

 

From my understanding, Sith eyes only occur when a force user is completely submerged in the Dark Side. Which was why Anakin's eyes turned while he was "taking care of" the separatist leaders, but had gone back to normal when he ran to greet Padme. Sidious and Maul are always submerged in the Dark Side, so they're eyes are nearly always yellow (except when Sidious has on the Palpatine persona). We never actually see Dooku (in the films at least) fully immersed in the Dark Side, so his eyes are normal. IIRC, Dooku, or rather Tyrannus, does have the yellow eyes at some points during TCW series, but I could be mistaken. If you're familiar with the Last Airbender series, it's similar to when Aang and Korra go into the Avatar state and the eyes begin to glow.

 

More inconsistent and mysterious than anything for the most part. I don't think these eyes can be dubbed "Sith eyes" anymore since non-Sith Inquisitors sported them too but its not clear if all of them did as some did not(5th Brother and 6th Brother examples). While others like Snoke and Kylo also lack this ability thus far.

As for, Dooku's turned for the one occasion when he was training Savage by bolting him for him to unleash his strength, it was a symbiotic moment. For all we know Dooku got those eyes from Savage, some kinda transference perhaps. And from the behind the scenes info that was done by the design/ animation crew out of personal taste more than anything else to where its ultimately an anomaly and inconsistent thing for this character. We know he's a Sith but why the eyes only once, its never bothered about. The Force Priestess later creates an illusion Dooku but even then those type of red eyes are not the same as the actual Sith Eyes.Even Sidious later posses in an illusion of Sifo-Dyas but has his real Sith Eyes. So there is major differences present.

Even in Dooku Jedi Lost, the latest audio book, not sure if there is references to his eyes turning despite even obtaining Force lightning via the Dark Side choosing and empowering him and all his evil and Dark Side stuff .

Ventress' eyes never turned despite her Sith training under Dooku while Vos did. Savage had these eyes before Dooku and Dooku didn't t really think much of it he just thought he has someone of Maul's bloodline and potential and could overthrow his master. Nightsister Mother like Talzin does not sport such eyes, despite her great Dark Side power and chaotic evil alignment yet her and her sisters have the power to imbue someone like Savage with such eyes along with the Dark Side of the Force.

Dark Side Ahsoka on Mortis had the eyes and other physical corruption that we've seen in the EU, but that was cause The Son bit her and passed into her some of himself as he was some sorta vampiric demonic character.

Maul's eyes glowed in SOLO from beneath his hood which is a different effect than others. Which also aligns with The Son's glowing weird red eyes. Talzin and Sidious also had strange voices, that echoed. Talzin and Sidious traded back and fourth Dark Side knowledge and powers since they were allies both seeking galactic domination - before Sidious betrayed her and took Maul to be his Sith Apprentice and successor. Sidious and Maul are different from the rest anyway, they are always more monstrous and devilish and represent actual lineal purely selected and trained Sith Lords.

 

Just like Palpatine in TPM he hide his true face

 

The characters' eyes were also supposed to glow yellow in Temple of Doom while under the influence of the Black Sleep of Kali Ma. It's in the script but it was dropped from the actual movie.

Given the timeline of the films' release I'd say there was probably a similar intention behind the Emperor's eyes in ROTJ. So it started there. Like you say, it's from The Exorcist. It signifies possession by an evil force.