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Why did Jango Use Zam to Do Such an Important Job?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by JediNdaCity, Nov 28, 2005.

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  1. JediNdaCity

    JediNdaCity Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I'm watching AOTC and now that I have the whole trilogy to study, everything in AOTC that use to perplex me makes perfect sense now, except one loose end. Why would Jango use a second rate bounty hunter like Zam Wessell to do such an important task in assasinating Padme. Esepcially after the first attempt went wrong? This is the only loop hole I can't figure out.
    Dooku was originally contacted to be the template for the clones and that was probably because he was the best at what he does and probably even had military experience and expertise (I don't read EU, so i don't know if this has been explored or not), so it would seem Dooku would direct him to do this job exclusivily with no outside help. This is where the snag in Palps plan begins. Zam rats on Jango and sends things into the direction where the Jedi have to get involved. If Padme had been knocked off, I think it would've made things easier for Palpatine to start the war as he wouldn't have to deal with her opposition any longer and could've easily laid blame on the Jedi a lot faster when the war went south.

    Thoughts or enlightenment?
     
  2. JMN77

    JMN77 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Poor Zam. Everyone makes mistakes!
    No, but really, we only have 2 examples of Zam's work ethic. Her track record prior to that must have impressed Jango enough to use her. Besides, like a lot of what if's.... and why did'nt's.... the real answer is: The story would'nt work otherwise. You had to have Padme live, for the sake of the story. This is a movie, not real life.
    [face_peace]


    EDIT: I just re-read my post and that last line sounds harsh, but it was not meant to be!
     
  3. JediNdaCity

    JediNdaCity Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I guess what i'm trying to get at is could their be another theory that I'm overlooking. Just plot-wise, it doesn't make sense. Unless Jango had prior business and couldn't do it himself, but he follows Zam during the second hit. Why?
     
  4. JMN77

    JMN77 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Good point! Seems that he did'nt trust her to make "...no mistakes this time"
    [face_peace]
     
  5. LizardJedi

    LizardJedi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Could it also have been that Zam was like, an understudy of Jango (I'm really trying to aviod the term "apprentence")
    This job dosn't seem that hard, so lets test her out kind of thing.

    Also, could it also be a thing where he tries not to be associated with it at all? Like, I don't think he expected Zam to rat him out. He may have thought that she would stay anamyous. If anyone witnessed a suspicious figure near the Senetor's quarters, it would be Zam, not Jango. So, the Jedi would be looking in the wrong place. Is that understandable?
     
  6. Padme-Wan_SkyWindu

    Padme-Wan_SkyWindu Jedi Youngling star 3

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    If you want to get into EU stuff, the video game Bounty Hunter explores Jango and Zam's working relationship (how they met, a little bit of them working together, etc.). Jango has known Zam for a while and knew what she was capable of.

    Without getting into any EU, I think it's still reasonable to assume that Jango thought Zam could take care of business (but wasn't going to tolerate failure again - I doubt he would have let her try a third time if some sort of situation arose where she just walked back to him like after the first attack). I also agree with LizardJedi's comment about Jango trying to stay out of it as much as possible.

    I've heard a couple bits of speculation that tie into this, so I'll provide them for you to mull over:
    -Jango was instructed to use the saberdart because Palpatine wanted the Jedi to trace him back to Kamino and find the clone army (I think the novel Labyrinth of Evil deals with this a bit, but it's been a long time since I read it and I'm not sure).
    -Palpatine wants Padme alive (for the time being) because he knows the effect she will have on Anakin (perhaps backed up by the fact that he suggested Obi-Wan protect her in the first place).

    There's one other thing that may or may not already be understood that I want to clarify, just because the way it has been worded here confuses me as to whether or not it is understood by the poster:
    JediNdaCity said "Dooku was originally contacted to be the template for the clones ..."
    Dooku was never meant to be the template, as far as I know. He recruited Jango originally (this is also shown in the Bounty Hunter game I mentioned). Sorry if you already understand this, your wording just threw me off a bit.
     
  7. Carnage04

    Carnage04 Jedi Knight star 5

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    I think Jango and Zam were working together, but Jango found himself far too valueable to get in the path of a bunch of Jedi if he didn't have to. "We'll have to try something else this time." Seems like Jango was helping out while staying out of the limelight. Given the Trade Federation's bankrole, I'm sure there was plenty of money in this hit for Jango to make a considerable credit while hiring a reputable bounty hunter.

    Carnage
     
  8. sith_rising

    sith_rising Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    He was outsourcing the assassination because, if he was discovered to be the killer, it would cause too much of a scandal. Imagine, the template for the Republic's Clone Army is discovered to be the person who killed the Senator who lead the opposition to the creation of an Army of the Republic. Dooku probably ordered him to use another contractor for that very reason, too many breadcrumbs leading back to the Kamino-Tyranus-Jango-Sifodyas conspiracy. But, he used a Kamino Saberdart to eliminate her, thus giving them a lead in their investigation. Of course, you could say that Obi-Wan was intended to find Kamino, but I don't think the Jedi were intended to find out about the Republic's secret army just yet.
     
  9. JediNdaCity

    JediNdaCity Jedi Youngling star 3

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    yes, i meant Jango, not Dooku was the template. Sorry for that. These are all interesting, plausible theories. And it seems like at some point or another, they were all put into effect. Before ROTS, there were a million directions this could've went in. Now with the last piece in place, I'm trying to simplify it, but the puzzle just expands more. the saber dart thing is tricky because that eliminates the theory of Jango not wanting the assassination to lead back to him, because that's exactly what it did.
    Plus, he shows up in the Geonosian arena which doesn't really makes sense. Because the Jedi now KNOW they are using an army that was created using a man that wanted to destroy one of the high council members (Mace) and was obviosly connected to Dooku. I guess the trump card in all of this is the fact that no matter what, the clone army was ordered using a Jedi name. That they cannot shake and don't want it revealed to the Senate that this happened. Dooku leaving the order and doing what he did already has left a bad taste in the mouth of the Republic and Senate, so they were trying to tread lightly on already shaky ground.
    Jeez, I wish GL would come out and explain all of this in detail and his intentions with this part of the plot.
     
  10. Yoda_Jedi_Luke

    Yoda_Jedi_Luke Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Presumably Palpatine ordered Tyrnaus who ordered Jango to kill Padme off once and for all, and so to maintain as much anonymity as possible, Jango used another bounty hunter. A female. A female changeling at that.

    Padme has always been a thorn in Palpatine's side and having Jango Fett go to kill her and having the Jedi then track Jango from the beginning of the story could have lead them to put two and two together and guess that Jango and the clones are one and the same, and the clones are really engineered for trouble.

    Jango Fett didn't want to be traced back to Kamino, hence Dooku erasing it from the Jedi Archives, and as soon as Obi-Wan finds out that Jango is on Kamino, he leaves straight away, which leads to a full scale war.

    Fortunately for Palpatine, he wanted a war, but Jango's death by Mace Windu's hand was an unexpected inconvenience.
     
  11. JediNdaCity

    JediNdaCity Jedi Youngling star 3

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    So, it was really Kenobi just being smart enough to investigate it more.
    I think that's where it all adds up and also explains why Obi Wan is one of the greatest Jedi ever. He was able to go deeper and uncover what they trying to hide. Jango used the dart becuase he thought they'd never be able to trace it back because technically, the planet didn't exist. You know who trumps all that? Dexter Jettster!
    THE POWER OF THE DEXTER!
    I really think Palpatine was manuevering through all this as they went along. It wasn't so much a grand scheme as it was he was able to modify things and fix them to his purpose as they went along. Which actually makes him a better strategist than if he had this all figured out from jump. thanks for leading me to water on this, guys. Great advice by all!=D=
     
  12. DARTHCLANDESTINE

    DARTHCLANDESTINE Jedi Youngling star 3

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    [face_laugh]

    Also the Jedi seem to be very ignorant about the outer rim areas or especially beyond it.

    Obi Wan "is it in the Republic?"
    Dex: "No no, its beyond the outer rim"

    Also the Jedi's problem is that they normally depend on their records and after a thousand years, they have seemed to become stagnant.

    "If it doesn't appear in our records, it deosn't exist"

     
  13. Eire

    Eire Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Becouse he was so lazy- Do you want to do something when someone can do it? I suppose you don't.
     
  14. Darth_Zoo

    Darth_Zoo Jedi Master star 4

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    I think he was just using her in case something would go very bad. He probably didn't think that his dart could be traced. If it hadn't been for that goof-up he'd just try again.
     
  15. ZamWesell44

    ZamWesell44 Jedi Master star 4

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    Zam , he used her b/c apparently she has got skills. What could have Jango done differently, he gave her those things. Anakin chased her down, he could have done that to Jango just as easy. There is nothing Jango could have done that she did not do, he was not going to go in there with Anakin and Kenobi there and get killed, and he is not a better pilot, Zam did a good just to stay away from Anakin. To me i always liked her, she is :cool: to me than Jango or Boba, and her speeder was very good indeed.
     
  16. emporergerner

    emporergerner Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think thE reason he did not do it himself was so that, he did not get caught by the Jedi and followed ( which aventually happens). If he uses Zam they can find her and she can still not give up his secret about Jango working for the CIS. Jnago was important to Dooku and I don't think he wanted Jango to be caught trying to kill Padme, Doku would then lose a valuable asset to the CIS.


    Maybe it was an order from Dooku to use Zam instaed of himself.




    Emporer Gerner Dark Lord of the Sith
     
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