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Why did Obi Wan and Yoda train Luke and not Leia?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Grand_Admiral_Grant, Aug 27, 2005.

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  1. Grand_Admiral_Grant

    Grand_Admiral_Grant Ex-Mod star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    yes, why?

    I mean, it's not like physical strength is all decisive. Yoda is small, short and probably not the strongest of all. Leia could, at least, have archieved the same physical strenght as Yoda, so that cant be an argument. What else could it be?
     
  2. Obi_Frans

    Obi_Frans Jedi Padawan star 4

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    They let the will of the force and the twins themselves indicate whether they were "ready" for training.

    By the time of ANH, Leia has made it as far as nearly headlining the Rebellion; while Luke's still 'dusting crops' on Tatooine. Leia's showing her purpose in the big scheme, Luke isn't - which is where Obi-Wan and Yoda come into play.

    - O_F
     
  3. Darth_Stern

    Darth_Stern Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I believe that yoda, Obi-Wan, and perhaps even the force itself believed the connection between a father and son was Vaders achilles heel. Anakin needed a frame of reference, a kind of living mirror to reach his own self-awareness. Leia has a profound connection to Padme which if Vader confronted outright would have only reminded him of his pain, and sent him even deeper(if that was possible) into the downward spiral of shame and dark-side self hate. The will of the force always knows best.
     
  4. janstett

    janstett Jedi Master star 3

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    Look at the paths in life the brother and sister had.

    When I saw ROTS with a few guys at work, as Luke was handed off to the Lars's and Leia was given to the Organas, one guy whispered to me, "Luke sure got the raw end of that deal, huh? A life of luxury versus... sand.". He was right.

    Leia was an aristocrat and let's not forget how snobby she was in ANH. Her path in life comes from wealth and privilege; Luke's path gave him nothing.

    Leia is the politician; Luke is the warrior. Much like their parents.
     
  5. Master_Fargo

    Master_Fargo Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Because Luke does the cha-cha like like nobodies business.

    Obi-wan needed a dance partner for the Death Star Ballroom Extravaganza, later sending luke to Yoda for those tap lessons he needed for Palpy's Throne Room Tap-Out. Vader got smashed and threw his old teacher down a shaft. No trophy for him[face_dancing]
     
  6. SkottASkywalker

    SkottASkywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Why did Obi Wan and Yoda train Luke and not Leia?

    Obviously, Leia didn't know how to train Luke. :p
     
  7. Jedi_872

    Jedi_872 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Leia was already doing other things. She was helping run the Rebellion and was a former Senator. Luke, on the other hand was on Tatooine helping his Uncle on the farm, something Luke clearly wasn't cut out for, anyway.

    Also, Leia couldn't have taken a "vacation" and dissapeared for a while. The Rebellion needed both Leia and Luke, but she was nessacary. (Besides, even if she could have left, Leia wouldn't have wanted to.)
     
  8. SarlaccSurvivor

    SarlaccSurvivor Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Sure. Leia has just as much potential as Luke to be a powerful Jedi. That's why Yoda explicitly tells Luke to train her, so that together they can restart the Jedi Order.

    One reason why Yoda and Obi-wan train Luke instead, as mentioned above, is that Leia is probably the most important leader in the Rebellion. (Seriously, what does Mon Mothma do until the middle of ROTJ?) Obi-wan would have an impossible task in convincing her to disappear for months in order to train for something she doesn't understand yet. Plus, remember how impatient Luke was at the beginning of his training? How much less patient would Leia be? I can imagine the conversation:
    Yoda: Patience. It's time to eat.
    Leia: Look, whoever you are. I don't trust you. I left my command in the Rebel Alliance to come here, and I want to see Yoda now. Otherwise, I'm going back to where I belong.

    In short, simply because of the way they were raised and what they had done so far, Leia would have been a lot harder to train.
     
  9. chiss_man

    chiss_man Jedi Master star 6

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    Going with the story reasons given, there's also the fact Leia wasn't going to be Luke's sister, script wise, until very late in the game.
     
  10. Chaotic_Serenity

    Chaotic_Serenity Jedi Padawan star 4

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    If you think about it, Bail was really the deciding factor. When he took Leia in, he made her more or less uneligible for training, except as a backup. As a personage of such high political esteem, it would have been dangerous to leave Leia out in the open when she was so obviously visible to the public eye. Left to his own devices on an obscure world, Luke had a better shot of staying under the radar for the time they needed.

    Of course, things didn't really work out the way anyone planned, but I would think that once things were set into motion, they just stuck to Luke. It's possible, too, that his midichlorian count might be slightly higher, or he's a bit more sensitive than she is. Whatever. It's all plot contrivance, anyway, meant to fit into the father/son morality tale.
     
  11. TheCRZA

    TheCRZA Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Leia is already involved in the Senate. Her sudden absence would be noticed.
    Whereas Luke could be trained under the radar.

    I also think they wanted Luke to train Leia. "pass on what you have learned"-Yoda
    Luke would be more apt to forgive Vader. Leia would have been more apt to give
    in to the darkside. Revenge for Alderaan. Being the daughter of a butcher.

    Luke's harsh upbringing gave him character that Leia didn't have, not to say
    she lacked character, just different sort of character. I mean hey,
    her resistance to the mind probe is considerable.

    Those are story reasons...

    GL was making an homage to serial matinee from a chauvinist era. The heroes were
    guys, the girls were the damsels in distress. I think Leia aptly turns that
    convention on it's head.

    I mean, Sigourney Weaver did well in Alien, a contemporary space film to SW, so it's not
    like GL would have been breaking ground.

     
  12. DarthSon

    DarthSon Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Well...Leia was on her way to Tatooine to bring Obi Wan to Alderaan right? Who's to say Obi Wan would not have left with both twins. Just food for thought.
     
  13. Ghost_Jedi

    Ghost_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I agree 100%

    And think about this: Luke was always wanting to know who his father was, and knew what Uncle Owen told him. He wants to become a pilot like his father, through the imperial academy, even though he does not like what he knows of the empire. When he meets 'Obi-Wan', who he has known throughout his life as Nem Kenpobi, his view of his father is rocked. And it was easy for Luke to accept, that his Father was a Jedi, and that he could follow him.

    Now look at Leia. She has grown up to believe that her father is Bail Organa. Has never seen General Kenobi, but only heard about him through her 'father'. Does not know of Master Yoda. There was no way a ghost of a dead jedi, or a swamp creature could tell her, that her father was not her father. If both Bail and Obi-an survived the Death Star, they might have told Leia of her lineage. Unfortunately fate took her and Luke down a different path, and waited until the time was right to reveal it.
     
  14. General_Grievous1138

    General_Grievous1138 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    They knew they couldn't win with a woman
     
  15. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Force Ghost star 8

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    Simple: Leia was in the public eye and if she showed any signs of Jedi training, Vader would be sure to sense it. Luke was safely hidden away, far from Vader. Leia had to serve on the Imperial Senate and her scenes with Vader in ANH lead me to believe that she had interacted with him before.
     
  16. General Kenobi

    General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It was convenient that Luke was a pilot for the Rebels' mission in ANH.







    Oh, and the fact that Lucas didn't decide to make Leia "the other" until after ESB may also be a factor. ;)
     
  17. Name_Search

    Name_Search Jedi Youngling star 2

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    When Bail Organa chose to adopt Leia, her path was set. She would be a politian, not a Jedi. (although she learned the ways of the Force later) Luke would be able to keep his path on a backwater world where nothing inspired dreams. Obi-Wan could give him that dream, to become a Jedi Knight. It would be easier to train him when his focus was on the Light, although it turned out differently, but with the same results.
     
  18. Lyvia

    Lyvia Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Leia is in the thick of the empire while Luke is far outside of it
    Leia is a princess Luke is a farmboy
    Leia is important Luke is insignificant
    Leia would never abandon her cause, I dont think she ever really devoted herself to being a jedi after ROTJ either.
    Luke wants to be like his father who he has idolized for along time, Leia wants to be like her adopted father, she knows she's adopted btw, and becomes a politician
    Leia has no connection to Vader doesnt love Vader like Luke nor would she probably be willing to try and redeem him. I smile to think that Leia would have cut off his head rather than talk to him.:D
    Leia also knows Vader better than Luke, it is implied that she has known him longer than the fist scene in ANH.
    Put together Leia is rich, a princess, a politician, a rebellion leader, and not forgiving
    Luke is a farmboy, who is obsessed with his father and it is quite easy to lead him.
    I agree that Leia would have reminded Vader of Padme if he found out she was in fact her and his daughter. I would hope that this would make vader see how much he screwed up but the dudes head has never been on straight.
    Luke looks like his father and has taken the opposite path of his father showing him what he could have had if he had only acted different. Luke also loves him alot and that had to really reach Vader, to realize that after all the horrible things he's done Luke still wants him.
     
  19. darth_mazda

    darth_mazda Jedi Youngling

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    I reckon luke and leia became who they are genetically, emotionaly linked to their parents. padme was a politican obviously she would take after her they way leia was brought up, and Luke he grew up a little bit like his dad anakin did on tatooine with a non-rich simple background

    the force works in mysterious ways [face_peace]
     
  20. Senator_Nora

    Senator_Nora Jedi Youngling

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    This is just my opinion, so its not worth much, but I believe that it was because Leia was much more like the younger Anakin. Impatient, headstrong, angry; she'd probably be a much easier target to turn to the Darkside.
     
  21. DARTH-SHREDDER

    DARTH-SHREDDER Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Becuase they're sexist and they think women are inferier.

    Yahh!!! Now Star Wars is racist and sexist!!!!
     
  22. Dark Lady Mara

    Dark Lady Mara Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Exactly. Leia would have gone to the dark side in about two seconds. She and her father have a great deal in common. Both are hot-tempered, idealistic, and impulsive.

    The plot arc of ANH Infinities followed a dark side Leia. After the Empire took the Yavin base, Vader was able to corrupt Leia very quickly by telling her should would be able to make the galaxy however she wanted it to be if she sided with him. Unlike her mother, she accepted the offer. I could very easily see canon Leia doing something like that, too.
     
  23. _Sublime_Skywalker_

    _Sublime_Skywalker_ Jedi Master star 4

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    They could only focus on one of the twins at the time,so that they could train either one when the time was right.

    ''We've always talked about adopting a little girl.''-Bail
    Bail offers to take Leia because him and his wife want a girl, and his family will love her like their own. Thats all Yoda and Obi Wan can ask of him,they know she'll be trained in diplomatic ways,like Padme. But Yoda says it,if Luke fails there's another,so they were prepared to train Leia also.
     
  24. darth_mazda

    darth_mazda Jedi Youngling

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    theres always a back up with yoda and obi
     
  25. SarlaccSurvivor

    SarlaccSurvivor Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I've seen this "ANH Leia would turn to the darkside in seconds" opinion a lot. And I agree that in general she'd be easier to turn than Luke would be. The part I don't get is how Vader could corrupt Leia. Vader? The one who tortured her for hours, then blew up her home planet? (Yes, it was Tarkin, but she doesn't care). Leia's intense hatred of Vader is obvious throughout the OT, and I can't imagine how he could influence her at all. Palpatine wouldn't have much trouble turning her dark; all he'd have to do is give her a chance to kill Vader and she'd take it. But I just can't see Leia joining Vader.
     
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