Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?

Okey The Hutts from the Knights of the old republic all the way to the NJO order. They have always been againset the Republic and Half of them side with the Sepertist. They are almost reponsble to half of the Crimnal underworld. They also side with the Sith five thousand years ago too. They have almost Half of the Smugglers whom are evil as well as Pirates too.

Any thoughts?

 

Against the Jedi way.

Next question.

 

Yeah but Luke did go againts the Jedi ways warning Jabba to "Free us Or die."

 

When did they side with the Sith five thousand years ago?

There are quite a few obvious reasons why the Republic wouldn't do such a thing. For a start, it would take incredible resources to "get rid of" all the Hutt clans, and then they'd just come back in a few decades. The only conceivable way to stop the Hutts becoming criminals is to completely wipe them out, really.

Also, the Hutt Empire isn't part of the Republic and has its own laws. You may as well ask, "Why did the Old or New Republic not get rid of the Corporate Sector?"

 

He also Force-choked Jabba's guards. That's not exactly Jedi standard procedure.

 

Actually, the Corporate Sector and Hutt Space were both satellite states of the of the Republic and later the Empire(courtesy the Imperial sourcebook). They existed at the Republic and Empire's pleasure(Hutt space at some point probably losing one too many wars and thus its official independance and coming under Republic jurisdiction), and both the Republic and the Empire certainly had a right to do something, however they would have had a heck of a time trying to bring those sectors of space under their heel. I think it was just too costly. It was less costly to just try and contain them, than actually policing them. As long as theHutts paid lip service to law and order and paid their many taxes the Emperor, and thus the Empire, was happy.

 

Interesting.

 

I think that for all intents and purposes Hutt Space was independent from the Republic.

 

Too much hassle for too little gain.

 

Wasn't there a Hutt that was Supreme Chancellor for a few centuries?

 

Yep.. Supreme Chancellor Blotus.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blotus


And the Hutts were the dominant power between the Infinite Empire and the Republic, iirc.

 

Annihilation is something Sith would do. Or Yuuzhan Vong.

 

There would have to be some kind of permanant third-party presence to enforce any anti-crime laws forced upon the Hutt clans to have any effect. That would mean either a sizeable military or diplomatic presence that would likely be highly suceptible to Hutt influence (either through blackmail, bribes or assassination)- it's doubtful they'd be able to maintain such a presence without a fullscale war against Nal Hutta or breaking all the Hutt servant races (Nikto, Gammoreans, etc) away from their influence.

 

They've been there for tens of thousands of years. Why would you? Who else you gonna make fun of, Gannondorf?

 

There is also something to be considered in arguments about organized crime.

If crime is to be considered unstoppable, as The Republic certainly thought, and Empire may have thought (at least until the political dissent was squashed)...then the advent of organized crime can be seen as a way to regulate and govern that behavior in the galaxy.

thus why organizations like Black Sun and the Exchange existed without full scale Republic persecution or prosecution...and why the Hutts were essentially allowed to do what they did.

Spice...was gonna move.

Slaves...were gonna be bought.

Smuggling...HAHAHA...try to stop it.

So if the galactic governance is resigned to it's existence, an organization that could oversee it, and thus likely be quietly watched, is a better notion then forcing the black market so far underground, that there are no eyes that can see what's happening, or understand the bulk of the business in it's totality.

Morality vs. Pragmatism...and while the NR would teach a grander "morality"...even it was not silly enough to divert resources to illicit activity prevention...deals are made...and you only bring out the Jedi police in cases of extreme cruelty and suffering...otherwise...the galaxy and it's crime are too big to fathom, let alone bring to a halt.

The Hutts are a menace to conscience...but a check against even more wicked and wild underbelly.

 

Well, firstly, you'd have to invade and effectively occupy Hutt space.

Next, you'd have to deal with every single Hutt family. There are around fifty major ones, each with its own fortresses, combat forces, bolt-holes, smuggling network, and other often-unexpected resources. Quite a lot of these control whole planets. And that's not counting all the other Hutts. Orko the H'uun, for instance, probably isn't one of the major family leaders (he's a H'uun, not a Hutt), but he's still a powerful kinda guy.

Then you'd have to occupy and clean up Nar Shaddaa, one of the most densely-populated and lawless urban centres in the Galaxy, with a population that seems largely to consist of bounty-hunters, pirates, and a lumpenproletariat entirely loyal to them.

The you'd have to deal with a religious uprising among the Vodrans and Klatooinians, and the near-religious loyalty of the Nikto too.

Then you'd have to deal with all the Hutt cartels operating in non-Hutt space, with their control over crime, their paramilitary resources, and the social implications of the unravelling or manipulation of the trade and contraband networks that they control.

The Republic seems to have won a war or too against the Hutts and imposed (or claimed) a vague overlordship over them, and the Empire actually did kick back the boundaries of Hutt space, liberate border worlds like Lirra, and limit overt Hutt control on planets like Tatooine. So, to answer your question, it's likely that successive Galactic governments have intervened heavily in the Hutt Empire. It's just that, short of genocide and massive, long-term military occupation, dealing all the while with with rampant insurgency and criminality, actually unravelling the Hutt social system and worldview is going to be a tall order.

Then you also have the question of whether the kajidic ideology (which is basically small-government libertarianism) is bad in itself. You'd get some right-wing commentators (and probably some left-wing ones as well) who would say that the real problem was the statist ideology and policies of the Galactic government. They might even be at least partially right.



Basically, to destroy the Hutt Empire, you'd have to be the Yuuzhan Vong. Do you want that?

Next question, please.

- The Imperial Ewok

 

THe new Clone Wars continuity point clearly toward the Hutt's being rulers of their own domain. Both through the film and novel, making some of the POV from Episode 1 make a little more sense to me.

I agree with McEwok It would have been far too much effort to force Hutt compliance through military action. It was easier to be at least at a truce than start a full scale war for no reason...If criminal activity, slavery and such are not good reasons

 

Even ignoring the paramilitary forces at their commands, let's not forget the Hutts probably have a lot of friends in high places in the republic.

And since the Republic operates on that whole evidence things, Hutts can just be discreet...heck, they probably are somewhat discreet and most Hutts are like Al Capone: Everyone knows they are crime lords, but no one can prove it.

 

The Hutts have long been granted a great deal of autonomy in regards to their Republic incorporation. Shmi's words about "the Republic doesn't exist out here" make less sense if you take them literally.

But I think even TCW stuff has not gone out and said the Hutts are a distinct and sovereign state unto themselves.

seriously, LFL is not mincing words when it comes to thrashing old continuity these days...If they want the Hutts to be an independent state...they would say so directly.

 

I agree with everybody.
But I think if the Hutts ever had a mortal enemy it would have been the Empire (not counting what the Yuuzhan Vong did to them). I'm sure that after dealing with the Rebellion and other more dangerous threats that Palpatine would have eventually brought his attention to the Hutt crime Empire. I think Palpatine's close association to Xizor and Black Sun is evidence of this. After all, the Empire dealt with the bounty hunter guild didn't they? ( I didn't read those Boba Fett books.)
I can imagine the Death star jumping out of hyper space and demanding the Hutts turn over their cartels to Imperial officials or face total annihilation. And we all know the Empire would follow through.
I can't explain why the Empire wouldn't have dealt with the Hutts sooner, like between RotS and ANH. Hopefully the upcoming tv show will shed some light on that era.

 

The Senate was still around at the time, and Sidious probably didn't mind a vast criminal empire running loose. All the pain and suffering it would cause would only serve to make the Dark Side stronger.

You gotta remember that that's Sidious goal: making the Dark Side, and therefore himself, stronger. All rational activities come second to that.

 

Maybe they thought they got the point across in TPM.

 

From what we've seen happening during the years revealed to us in the Old and New Republics, those governments really didn't have the time to go after Hutts. In the New Republic, the Empire was still being fought. And when they weren't tangling with Imperial fleets, they were taking on other groups that posed much more of an immediate threat (the Yevetha, for instance). The Old Republic didn't have much of a chance to take care of them either, what with the Sith constantly popping up. Once the Republic rebuilt what was destroyed, another Sith or Mandalorian would pop up to start trouble.

With war comes an increase in black market activity; smuggling escalates as planets are officially blockaded, weapons are sold to both sides, an arms race occurs, and all manners of illegal activity. The demand for medicinal drugs also increases. And who of all people have their grubby paws in the middle of it all? The Hutts. They most likely profit from every single war that erupts (Yuzzhan Vong excluded, of course), and with that increasing cash flow, the Hutts become more powerful.

The Hutts can also resort to means which the Republic can't: the hiring of bounty hunters, assassins, and mercenaries. Either Republic would have so much red tape to cut through, whereas the Hutts could just grab some cash, toss it to one of the best, and say "Fight for me." I would also suspect that the Hutts had a few key members of either governmental body in their pocket, whether they used bribery or blackmail.

 

They are a separate state in the Republic - the issue where they kick the Jedi off of Nar Shaddaa in Republic makes that clear.
The whole question of Tatooine is that the planet was initially colonized by the Republic, not the Hutts - technically the Republic still "owns" the planet, but let the Hutts have control as long as they don't formally claim the planet (per Secrets of Tatooine).

 

Most of my reason for thinking as I do about the Hutt's and their independence stems from a couple points.

1. The Republic Military needs the permission of the Hutts to travel throughout the outer rim. If the Republic was really in charge would they need to ask permission?

2. The Clone Wars novel describes Jabba as the Leader of the Hutt's, their Kajidics.

but as a part of what kept Hutt society running; complete confidence in a leader who would never be pushed around by outlanders. It wasn't just about loss of faith, but about letting Hutts know that the boss of bosses was still in charge, and all was right with their world.

Speaking on a purely real world poltitical basis the Hutts may well be a part of the Republic so far as Coruscant is concerned, but the CWA novel also mentions how human rules have no meaning to the Hutts. Perhaps their society is operated from within the confines of the Republic, but I think even if they are part of the Republic on paper they are still running their own show. Their own state in terms of how the Hutts would understand it, with no concern for anything the Republic law courts will throw at them.