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PT Why Didn't Anakin force choke Obi Wan?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by _Sublime_Skywalker_, Mar 7, 2015.

  1. _Sublime_Skywalker_

    _Sublime_Skywalker_ Jedi Master star 4

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    I feel like such a n00b posting this, but as the title says, why didn't Anakin just force choking Obi Wan?

    I'm not talking about at the start of the duel, Anakin is full of pride and would want to put Kenobi in his place with pure warrior skill... but why not try as Obi Wan claimed the high ground? Or better yet, why not try and give it a final shot as he was lying on the sand? Yeah he was trying to drag himself away from the lava, but he could've attempted one final push of full hatred towards Obi Wan to take him down with him.

    I mean, I know the whole "because Obi Wan had to live to ANH" answer, it just seems alittle out of his character..
     
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  2. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    my guess is that obi could counter it with the force somehow. notice anakin does choke him physically but when they force push each other they're both equal.
     
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  3. jakobitis89

    jakobitis89 Jedi Master star 4

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    Presumably there is some sort of 'anti-choke' defence that Jedi know, or is just instinctive, as I can't remember seeing it ever used successfully on another force user from memory. Vader only ever choked muggles, never even tried it on Luke in any of their fights. Sidious didn't even bother trying to choke Mace, just busted out the zapping. It just doesn't seem to work on Jedi/force users.
     
  4. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

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    In TCW, Dooku Force-Choked Anakin and Obi-Wan.

    But yeah, Obi-Wan could've countered it with the Force, and there might have been some small glimmer inside Vader that didn't want to kill Obi-Wan.
     
  5. Darth Master Titus

    Darth Master Titus Jedi Knight star 4

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    I'm pretty sure Dooku force choked Obi-Wan in RoTS.
     
  6. _Sublime_Skywalker_

    _Sublime_Skywalker_ Jedi Master star 4

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    Dooku does force choke Obi Wan when he grips him and tosses him.

    I like to think DarkLink is onto something, maybe there is a part deep deep down that doesn't want to kill Obi Wan.. That small remaining shard of Anakin, the semi-decent guy.
     
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  7. Chancellor Yoda

    Chancellor Yoda Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Agree, I think Anakin still had some glimmer of good in him at the start of the fight. Though I think by the near end, Anakin pretty much went crazy and did't care if he killed Kenobi. I also wonder if it's because Kenobi knew Anakin well enough that he could have countered a voice choke, though it did seem Anakin did't use his choke ability as much in the PT minus a few exceptions.
     
  8. Darth Master Titus

    Darth Master Titus Jedi Knight star 4

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    Physically choking was more personal than a force choke which is why they went with that. I think some of you are reaching with the theories.
     
  9. Chancellor Yoda

    Chancellor Yoda Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I actually forgot about Anakin choking Kenobi physically. I agree with you on the choking physically is more personal then force choking.
     
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  10. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    He doesn't Force choke, but he does grab him by the throat like he did Captain Antilles.

    [​IMG]
     
  11. mes520

    mes520 Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, since Vader already used that move on Obi-Wan, he probably felt Obi-Wan would see him coming and easily counter against such a move.

    I do agree about the physical choking of Obi-Wan being more personal.
     
  12. _Sublime_Skywalker_

    _Sublime_Skywalker_ Jedi Master star 4

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    What does it matter if Obi Wan countered though? Anakin took a gigantic gamble with trying to jump over him on the high ground, and afterwards he was left for dead anyway.

    A line like "you underestimate my power" kinda leads up to more than just a force jump. I feel it would've been more true to DV's character to use an attack more offensive then just trying to jump over Obi Wan.
     
  13. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Chosen One star 5

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    I'm not sure I follow... Anakin was going for the kill when he tried to jump over Obi-Wan. If Obi-Wan hadn't reacted he'd be dead seconds later.
     
  14. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Anakin was trying to do what he did earlier when they were on the lava droids. Which is create a pincer, in both cases have Obi-wan's back against the lava, so that he would have no place to go. Once he's boxed in, then he can take him out. He just didn't think that Obi-wan would really do what he did.
     
  15. Darth Master Titus

    Darth Master Titus Jedi Knight star 4

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    I never thought of that. I always wondered why he tried to leap over him instead of in front of him.
     
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  16. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That and it was also the anger controlling Anakin, more than he was controlling his anger. As Lucas says on the commentary, Anakin becomes more and more arrogant as he's going along in ROTS and saying that Obi-wan underestimates his power is the apex of his arrogance.
     
  17. Elegy

    Elegy Jedi Youngling

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    Because Obi-Wan could use the force to block it.
     
  18. Darth Master Titus

    Darth Master Titus Jedi Knight star 4

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    It was in fact Anakin who underestimated Obi-Wan. The Negotiator is not one to be taken lightly :)
     
  19. jakobitis89

    jakobitis89 Jedi Master star 4

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    I did forget the Dooku choke in ROTS but it still seems that for whatever reason it's less effective against a force user than a muggle, or just less widely used. Vader was able to bust it out at impressive range later on in the OT so maybe he just hadn't mastered it by the Mustafar fight and didn't want to try it half-cocked against a Jedi Master whose abilities he knew all too well.
     
  20. _Sublime_Skywalker_

    _Sublime_Skywalker_ Jedi Master star 4

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    Interesting, I never thought of that either. I always felt him trying to leap over Obi Wan was more of an arrogant trying to show him up. "If you jump, I'll jump higher" kind of deal.
     
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  21. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

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    I personally think Anakin wanted to physically beat Obi-Wan down. Remember, this is the guy who thought his lightsaber skills were on par with Yoda.
     
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  22. Commander Krix

    Commander Krix Jedi Knight star 4

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    To support that, I believe that Anakin hits him physically at least 3 times during the duel, as well as the hand-on-throat choke.
     
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  23. Crystalia

    Crystalia Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I did forget the Dooku choke in ROTS but it still seems that for whatever reason it's less effective against a force user than a muggle
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    *chuckles* Harry Potter meets Star Wars,

    anyway the reason why Anakin didn't try to force choke obi-wan: it wasn't in the script, just like it wasn't in the script for Sidious to do the same to Yoda etc.
     
  24. jakobitis89

    jakobitis89 Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah when you have people with powers and those without, I tend to use muggle as shorthand. Not even a die hard Potter fan, but that term is the one I use for whatever reason. Kind of weird now I think of it but eh...
     
  25. darth-sinister

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    Dooku wasn't trying to choke him to death. He caught Obi-wan with the intention of killing him in a quick and violent manner, in order to drive Anakin into a frenzy.
     
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