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Why didn't Jango just kill Padme himself?

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  1. DARTH LOEAK

    DARTH LOEAK Jedi Master star 2

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    A bounty hunter hiring another bounty hunter? A little strange.
     
  2. CountessYnaAda

    CountessYnaAda Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Mabye he didn't want the investigations (if they would be any) to point to him. So they would blame another instead of him. ::shrugs:: No idea.
     
  3. Adali-Kiri

    Adali-Kiri Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Not unusual in business to farm out work. Jango likely thought that Zam was a better assassin than him, able to sneak around more easily. Also, if the scheme failed it would be Zam's fall, not his. Jango isn't interested in risking his own neck on this job, but Zam is. It's the way dirty business works.
     
  4. Nightowl

    Nightowl TFN Timetales Writer star 4 VIP

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    1: Killing a person who has a "dead or alive" bounty for some crime he/she committed (and/or because they left you with no alternative) is one thing; killing an innocent, respected woman (a Senator, no less) who's done nothing wrong is quite another. Jango Fett had a code of honor, which he passed on to his son. He wouldn't cold-bloodedly kill someone who didn't deserve it -- and Padme didn't deserve it. Zam, who was an assassin (not a bounty hunter -- she only dealt in killing), had no such scruples.

    2: As we saw in the film, trying to kill a Senator in the very beating heart of both the Republic and the Jedi Order is akin to having a death wish. Jango managed to do it once (in the video game "Bounty Hunter"), and barely got away with his life.

    Jango had no love for either Nute Gunray or the Trade Federation. He only agreed to take the job because Count Dooku insisted on it, and because the reward offered (25 million credits) meant he'd never have to work another day in his life. Yet he had a son to think of. He didn't want Boba to be an orphan, and he didn't want the Jedi who destroyed his fellow warriors anywhere near himself or the boy. (His hatred of the Jedi got the better of him in the arena, of course.)
    Zam was obviously very competant (she had to have been to have survived ten years in the business) and had worked with Jango before. They had a close relationship that bordered at times on romance. If it meant being able to keep himself safe for Boba (and keeping the Jedi off his rear), he'd willingly give her 5 million off the top and let her do all the work for him.
     
  5. AdamBertocci

    AdamBertocci Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Let's not forget that an important theme of the prequels is not knowing who the bad guy really is.

    The real enemy of TPM isn't the Federation, it's Sidious.

    The real enemy of AOTC isn't the Seperatists or even Dooku, it's the concerned Chancellor.

    The real person after Padme's life isn't the woman in purple, it's a changeling who can appear to be anything... no, wait, it's a mysterious bounty hunter in a silver suit.

    You never know.

    Danger is everywhere, sometimes from the place you least expect.

    Who'da thunk at the time of AOTC that the clonetroopers who appear to save the day will soon become the evil stormtrooper army of the OT?

    You just never know...



    Rick McCallum loves you!
     
  6. qui-gon-kim

    qui-gon-kim Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think it's a simpler reason: no risk of death/capture. Trying to kill a high profile, heavily guarded political figure is very risky. Since Jango is pretty high up the bounty hunter food chain, he can hire out the job to a lesser bounty hunter, like Zam.
     
  7. KosmicKnine

    KosmicKnine Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Personally, I think see it all as being significantly deeper. I think Jango was specifically instructed by his Sith friends to subcontract for the purpose of being able to kill Zam in front of the Jedi with a weapon that would lead them to Kamino.

    I think part of Sidious's plans all along was for the Jedi to find the clone army on Kamino, and, in order to get them interested enough to go there, a Kamino-specific weapon was used to kill a bounty hunter who was attempting to assassinate a Senator. Palpatine was in perfect position to know that he could suggest Jedi to guard Amidala putting them in a place to track down Zam. With the erasure of the Kamino file from the Jedi Archives, the Sith would know that the Jedi would become deeply concerned over knowing that someone possessed the ability and will to erase files. With it being a file on Kamino being erased, it would continue to fuel the Jedi's curiousity about what was up with the planet Kamino and cause them to go to the planet to investigate. Once there, they would become aware of the existance of the clone army.

    Sidious wants the Jedi to have the army and use them and is directing Tyranus to manipulate the droid army on the other side. By creating a threat, Palpatine is able to manipulate his way into receiving significant political power, which includes drafting an army. With the Jedi knowing of the clone army as well as a few choice senators, drafting the army is significantly easier in the eyes of those willing to give Palpatine emergency powers. Now, Palpatine has authority and power inching ever closer to becoming an emperor. And with the Jedi being the ones to have brought the clone army to the table, Palpatine is now in a perfect position to blame the Jedi for misuse of the army and all the deaths that occur as a result of the war. Doing so will place public opinion against the Jedi and enable Palpatine to wrestle control of the army away from the Jedi as well as destroy the Jedi's reputation.

    So, I think Jango's subcontracting the assignment to lesser experienced and lesser skilled bounty hunter and then using a Kamino-specific weapon is simply another stroke in part of Sidious's master plan.

    Jango's seeming surprise revealed after his talk with Obi-Wan, I think, is more of him being surprised the Jedi figured out Kamino's existance and arrival on the planet to investigate as quickly as Obi-Wan was able to do so. In other words, I don't think Jango was anticipating the Jedi showing up on Kamino quite that quickly. So, off he went to Geonosis to tell Tyranus that the Jedi had already found Kamino. Sidious and Tyranus were most likely expecting it, just not Jango; the Sith wouldn't tell him everything of their plans, just enough to get him to do what they wanted him to do.
     
  8. MikeSolo

    MikeSolo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think he didn't kill her cause he started to like her :p maybe developed a crush.
     
  9. DARKLORDJOHNNY5

    DARKLORDJOHNNY5 Jedi Youngling

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    If he did, that would've been the end of the movie. And no chance for Annie to get with Padme... :_| and no Ep 4,5 or 6...
     
  10. SLAVE2

    SLAVE2 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Zam probably knew her way around Coruscant better than Jango so could plot an assasination and get away better.
     
  11. fosh-bantus88

    fosh-bantus88 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    jango could have taken out padme, but lucas wanted another action figure on the toy racks.
     
  12. Azanulbizar

    Azanulbizar Jedi Master star 1

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    1: Killing a person who has a "dead or alive" bounty for some crime he/she committed (and/or because they left you with no alternative) is one thing; killing an innocent, respected woman (a Senator, no less) who's done nothing wrong is quite another. Jango Fett had a code of honor, which he passed on to his son. He wouldn't cold-bloodedly kill someone who didn't deserve it -- and Padme didn't deserve it. Zam, who was an assassin (not a bounty hunter -- she only dealt in killing), had no such scruples.

    The thing is, Jango really isn't distancing himself from killing Padme by hiring Zam; he's still having her killed, even if he doesn't pull the trigger. He would be deluding himself if he thinks he's sticking by his scruples.


    The plot point of Jango hiring Zam would have seemed more believeable perhaps if he hadn't been right there when Zam was captured, as if he'd been following her movements. Indeed, we see him talking to her moments before Zam tries to kill Padme. If he's so close, why not just do it himself? I think the Jango/Zam thing was used to create tension ("I'm going to kill the senator now") and to have a reason for Obi-Wan to go to Kamino. Perhaps they could have simplified things by making it Jango who was nearly captured on Corsucant but escapes, leaving behind something that would point to Kamino.
     
  13. wtehomie

    wtehomie Jedi Youngling

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    Or, Jango planned on luring Obi-Wan to him so he could then kill Obi-Wan with the saber dart. That would be a more obvious lead to Kamino than the dart in Zam.
    When he saw that his plan was going to backfire When Anakin and Obi-Wan had capture Zam and she was going to rat him out to the Jedi, he probably decided to use the dart on her and get the evidence out for the jedi to find while still concealing his identity.
     
  14. I_AM_A_CLONER

    I_AM_A_CLONER Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "A bounty hunter hiring another bounty hunter? A little strange."

    Drug dealers hiring other drug dealers to push their stuff? Strange but it happens. Mainly cause they want to be as far from "it" as possible. Both in Jango and drug dealers cases.

    The Cloner
     
  15. NiktosRule

    NiktosRule Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think Jango being an intelligent man would realize there would be repurcussions for killing a senator. He knows an investigation would take place as well as a manhunt most likely. He wouldn't want to deal with that trouble. So why not have someone else do it. I also agree with the code of honor point.
     
  16. Durwood

    Durwood Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Killing a famous Republic senator on the capital world of the Republic is exactly the kind of high profile work a shrewd bounty hunter would want to avoid. Better to pass it off on some poor schlub than risk having the whole of the Republic breathing down your neck.
     
  17. BenduHopkins

    BenduHopkins Jedi Master star 4

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    Perhaps Dooku told Jango to "supervise" the assassination rather than partake. That way if he were captured and questioned there could be no link to the Kamino or Geonosis.
     
  18. BenduHopkins

    BenduHopkins Jedi Master star 4

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    So, I think Jango's subcontracting the assignment to lesser experienced and lesser skilled bounty hunter and then using a Kamino-specific weapon is simply another stroke in part of Sidious's master plan.

    What if the first attempt on Amidala's life was successful? I think they were really trying to kill her. If ObiWan hadn't found that Clone army, Sidious' plan would have been even more perfect. Once the Seperatists attacked, the Senate would have voted for the use of creating an army. The seperatists would have demolished parts of the Republic for him and then he would take over with the Clones. It wouldn't look as suspicious and the Jedi would be easier targets (not as distrustful of the Republic).

    When ObiWan found the army, the Sith had to work with it, and the outcome was more or less the same. But the Jedi became more suspicious due to their discoveries, hence were not as easily manipulated.

    These films do have an element of drama in that the good guys have a chance. The only reason they don't is because we know what happens in Ep. 4. However, the good guys aren't COMPLETELY helpless.
     
  19. DarthNigel

    DarthNigel Jedi Master star 3

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    I disagree. Sidious planned for Obi-Wan (or some other Jedi) to discover the Clone Army on Kamino, that's why Jango (who worked for Dooku, who worked for Sidious) used such a unique weapon. Why else would a skilled pro like Jango do such a thing? It was either rank incompetence -- which is not believable -- or deliberately intended to string the Jedi along to Kamino, which is entirely believable.

    This is consistent with Sidious' known MO, and his plan, which requires that the Clone Army be created and brought into action without Sidious being ever directly linked to the unauthorized activity. This way, the Jedi are blamed for the origin of the Army (Sifo-Dyas) and the fact that they "discovered" the army deprives them of any alibi that they were not really the ones responsible.
     
  20. BenduHopkins

    BenduHopkins Jedi Master star 4

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    Yet Palpatine takes responsibility for the army when he states "as my first act, I will create a grand army of the republic."

    The Jedi were not framed for creating the army because the army was never meant to look suspicious in the first place.

    If the dart was meant to lead the Jedi to Kamino, why would the attempts on Padme's life be so lethal.

    Sideous in his chamber "HmmHmmHmm...my plan is going to come off without a hitch! Once I have Jango Fett hire another Bounty Hunter who is slightly incapable to almost kill Padme, I will have Jango kill the bounty hunter with a traceable weapon at the very second she is about to reveal her employers' identity. It will all work perfecly, as I know that Padme will not explode on the landing pad, and that she will not be stung by the dangerous insects, and OH YES! I am certain young ObiWan will jump out the window of Padme's apartment and hang on to the assassin droid, will not fall and die regardless of the very hard effort by the bounty hunter to shoot him off while he's helpless. His young Padawan will find the yellow speeder I have conveniently placed to rescue his master, with keys dangling in the ignition! The bounty hunter will try as hard as she can to escape and almost do so, but I am almost 100 percent certain that the 3 percent of incapability that flows through her veins will lead her to a nightclub where she will be tracked down and captured. I have investigated her history and I know that she is prone to giving away her employers' name, which will then incite Jango, who is 100 percent reliable in following around speeding, random chases, from a distance that he will never be noticed! She will almost reveal the name of her employer and then Jango will certainly kill her at the perfect moment with a weapon that will only be traceable by asking a certain restauranteur who happens to be a good friend of ObiWans! I will attempt to delete all knowledge of the planet in all available archives so that information about said dart will only be available by asking people on the street. This restauranteur ObiWan is friends with knows MUCH about Kamino....I have forseen it."
     
  21. JediTrilobite

    JediTrilobite Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    So that he couldn't be implicated by himself. It would also distance the confederation a bit.
     
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