Why didnt Qui-Gon Jinn try to contact Count Dooku?

Dooku was Qui-Gon Jinn's own Jedi Master and trained him well, he still respected Qui-Gon Jinn even 10 years after his death and wished he was still alive because he could use his help, why didnt Qui-Gon try to make contact with Dooku from the netherworld of the Force? he could have told Dooku that Darth Sidious/Palpatine was using him and that he was on the wrong path and maybe gotten through to Dooku, Dooku hearing Qui-Gon Jinn's voice might realize that Palpatine was wrong and go to the Jedi Council and expose him to them, he might have been able to stop the Sith's plans for revenge, Dooku would probably have listened to Qui-Gon or at least there would be a 50/50 chance of it.

 

I am unaware that Jedi ghosts can appear to anyone but fellow Jedi...I am not sure if Qui-Gon even could have contacted Dooku, as Dooku rejected his Jedi heritage and became Sith...Perhaps there are examples of a Jedi communicating with non Jedi(not non Force users, but actual Jedi), if so, I stand corrected. I just can't think of any right now.

 

Interesting topic.

But I don't think it would have made a difference.

Yoda picks up on Qui-Gon distressing over Anakin's attack on the Tuskens. That was just the first stage of communication between Yoda and Qui-Gon and it seemed inadvertant. Yoda, it seems, started to focus on trying to interact with Qui-Gon, and by the time of RotS, seemed to have fully developed the technique.

So during the events of AotC, it seems no one really had a technique to talke with Qui-Gon. So I doubt that Dooku and Qui-Gon could have had an in depth "Do the ends justify the means?" conversation.

Second, Dooku was Qui-Gon's Master. Just because he needed his help, doesn't mean he would have listened to Qui-Gon's opinion or that it mattered a whole hell of a lot. Maybe if Qui-Gon had been Dooku's Master, he would have carried real influence, but Dooku was a corrupted arrogant Sith by the time of the clone wars.

 

Palpatine: Kill him....kill him now!
Qui-Gon: Master! Sidious will betray you! Abandon this madness!
Dooku: What?? You tell me now?!

Yup, that's the real reason why he had that look on his face.

 

We also don't know that Qui-Gon didn't contact him. Mabey he did and Dooku refused to listen to him.

 

QUI-GON: (V.O.) No, Dooku! No!

 

The little bit of dialog Yoda had with Obi-Wan aboard the Tantive IV suggests to me that it required a certain state of mind or some such, that required training to achieve, in order to communicate with Qui-Gon's spirit. I don't think Qui-Gon could have communicated with Dooku even if he wanted to.

 

Hmmmm, so you dont think Anakin heard Qui-Gon at all ?

 

Qui-Gon talked to Anakin in Jedi Trial and he listened.

 

Because that would have caused a paradox that would have created a chain reaction that disrupts the space time continuum and the OT would have ceased to exist.

 

Thats the EU. But it does bring up the question of whether Anakin heard Qui-Gon in ATOC, or was it just Yoda who heard ? And whether some other Jedi heard it too ?

 

I doubt it.
Otherwise, the mystery of the Sith would have been unlocked a whole lot sooner.
Besides, Yoda had to "teach Kenobi how to commune" with Jinn's spirit.

 

interesting topic...

how does quigon know this at the time of his death? if i remember phantom correctly, the jedi had no idea that palpy was a baddy at this point.

chewie

 

and yet with practically no training at all, Luke was able to communicate with Kenobi's ghost.

 

But on the other hand, Obi-Wan had achieved a more direct way to preserve his consciousness than Qui-Gon did.

 

^^^ Right! ^^^

Actually, Luke didn't talk to Ben until ESB, but he did hear him in ANH, much like Yoda heard QGJ in AOTC.

 

I was referring to Empire...specifically after he escaped the Wampa, and Ben told him to go to Dagobah. At the time, Luke had only received very rudimentary training from Ben on the Falcon during the events of ANH, before Ben died. Thus, the practically no training. Luke had one hyperspace trip's worth with Ben while Kenobi was alive, and thats it. Yet, a few years later, without any additional training, during the events of TESB, while he is barely capable of using the Force to draw his saber to him while he is hanging upside down, yet, can converse with Obi-Wan's ghost without any effort.

 

Dooku never believed in the Living Force philosophy that Qui-gon had become enamored with. Thus he could not hear Qui-gon speak to him. None of the Jedi, except for Anakin and Yoda could hear him at this point. However, Anakin thought that it was a figment of his imagination. Yoda, on the other hand, pursued this until he was able to hear him whenever Qui-gon spoke to him. Luke could always hear Obi-wan, as he had been prepared for that during their trip to Alderaan, without Luke realizing it. But he did speak to Obi-wan briefly in "Alligence". Aside from that one time they carried on an actual conversation, Luke didn't talk to Obi-wan again until he Dagobah. By that point, he was strong enough to see him as shown on Hoth and later after he trained enough so that he could see him fully.

 

Without the audience realizing it either, I suppose? We see Luke being trained by Kenobi, to be sure...to deflect blaster bolts. That somehow puts him perfectly in tune with the Living Force? Perhaps if Kenobi had been training Luke for a few months, I could accept that. But I think it is completely illogical to think that Kenobi would have subtly taught that to Luke in the short time they were on the Falcon. He would have been more concerned with just teaching Luke how not to cut his own arm off with the lightsaber....Learning to talk to Force Ghosts would have been lesson #145, and Luke was at lesson #1. Even for a Skywalker, to suggest that Luke could have been trained in this over the course of one hyperspace jump just doesn't make any sense to me. If it was something that could be learned that quickly, it would have been common knowledge among the Jedi, and Obi-Wan would not have needed any additional training to hear Qui-Gon.

 

Maybe that lesson only takes a wave of the hand.

 

I think the novelization says that he heard it but thought it was his imagination, as Sinister said. IMO he didn't hear it, but since we don't see Anakin at that exact moment we don't really know.

I think direct communication between Qui-Gon and Jedi between II and III, although it seems to happen in some EU, should probably be disregarded.

 

I think the novelization says that he heard it but thought it was his imagination, as Sinister said. IMO he didn't hear it, but since we don't see Anakin at that exact moment we don't really know.


Yeah, the more I think about, he most likely couldnt hear it because his mind was not quiet and at peace like Yodas was at the time.


But..................the first time Luke heard Obi-Wans voice in ANH, his mind certainly wasnt quiet or peaceful. He was in a big panic. Dare I say it, plot hole ?

 

The mind must be quiet to hear the Living Force speak, not the dead. When Obi-wan taught Luke, on their trip to Alderaan, he probably taught him the same way Qui-gon had him. Obi-wan would not risk not teaching Luke how to commune with him, should something bad happen to him. We don't see all of the trip to Alderaan. The technique to hear a Force ghost isn't probably as difficult as we think it is. It's probably something so easy, that a Jedi could overlook it and not realize that they could do this all along if only they made the effort to listen.

 

But Luke was in panic city at the time, hardly listening to Han and Leia. And Luke wasnt close to Obi-Wan, he was almost a virtual stranger.


QUI-GON : When you learn to quiet your mind, you will hear them speaking to
you.
ANAKIN : I don't understand.
QUI-GON : With time and training, Annie...you will.

 

In the CT there was no training for Luke, not on film anyways. IMO, Luke heard Kenobi because that's all he could do right after dying. Remember what kenobi said to Vader at the end. By ESB he was powerful enough to finally appear to Luke in his ghostly form.

There was nothing to imply that Luke learned anything about speaking to those who had returned from the netherworld of the Force. To me, it was all about what Ben could do, not what Luke did, or didn't learn.