PT Why didn't the Jedi sense the Neural-Mind Chip in the Clones for Protocol 66/Order 66?

I'm surprised how the Jedi weren't able to sense the likes of these Neural Mind Chips which Palpatine ordered Count Dooku to order the Kaminoans to implant in the Clones since childhood if not in the vitro stages - YET for a Jedi SURELY they could have 'sensed' this in the Clones or some powerful Jedi could have even 'scanned' the mind of the Clones and such? Or if one used an X-Ray vision-type machine or scanner - SURELY this could have helped or provided a warning to them the sinister plans for Protocol 66/Order 66? I mean in the Lost Missions where the Clone Trooper Tup was struggling with his conscience as he pre-maturely gave out the warning and on how the Jedi were fated to die ... and all the whilst when Palpatine and Count Dooku got concerned that their plans could be Nerf-Screwed to Kingdom Come if the Jedi had found out sooner ...

 

I don't follow TCW, so for me the chips are a retcon that I don't apply. It didn't need explaining why the Clones turned, it was more symbolic that the Clones mysteriously kind of switch and "activate" (metaphorically rather than by robotics) in sync with Anakin essentially selling his soul. It was already explained that they weren't as independent by design. As others have said, the "chip" element was just created so we didn't feel as betrayed that the troopers (who have undergone out-of-film character development) turn on the Jedi. Unnecessary.

What I do have a problem with however, is that the Jedi don't suspect the army was created by the Sith. They are told by Jango that he was hired by "Darth Tyrannus", whom they later find out to be Dooku, yet they don't realise? Dooku even tells them that Sidious is controlling the Senate, but they don't believe him. And lastly, They see Jango (whom they know is the Clone template) working for Dooku on Geonosis, yet it doesn't ring alarm bells. Without some problems created solely by AOTC, the plot makes more sense to me.

 

I shall join the parade of voices against TCW nonsense about chips, but yeah the Jedi really dropped the ball a bit there (And I love them to pieces).

They did try to investigate, but their head detective got himself kidnapped and then Geonosis and the immediate war probably distracted them. They couldn't not use the Clones after that (That's a whole 'nother debate I won't get into).

 

AOTC states that the clones are engineered to be docile so they obey orders without question. So chips, they don't need no stinkin chips to obey orders. If you watch ROTS, the clones do not go beserk, they calmly follow order 66 like an other order which is why the chip stuff is nonsense.

Something to keep in mind is that TCW deviated alot from the live action PT films at times, such as having the Republic gunships which are low attitude aircraft in the films fly in space in TCW and video games. This is the reason TCW was given a lower canon rating than the films because it didn't fully follow the events of the live action films. This also means the films do not fully follow the events of TCW either. TCW is pretty much a different interpretation of Star Wars and why it portrays things differently from the films. We never see Ashoka or ninja droids in the films.

 

I must admit I don't know why Jedi are not so suspicious of the origins of the clones. I actually never saw the clones as good guys, but more like people who, under the orders of the one who pulls the strings, knowingly betray their commanders. So let's just say I don't agree with this chip that somehow manage to diminish their responsibilities over what happened.

 

TCW I think interpreted the clones as being more of good guys than how they really were in the films. While the film versions of them are portrayed as both ambiguous and semi-sinister in AOTC, and outright sinister in ROTS post 66. They are clones of Jango Fett after all, they are bound to have at least some of his ruthlessness.

 

Not "Darth Tyranus", just "Tyranus", who could be anyone.

 

True. However they see Dooku and Jango together on Geonosis. And by the end of the movie they know Dooku has joined the darkside, therefore Jango is definitely both working for the Sith and the known template for the Clone army. It's not spelled out but you'd think they would be more suspicious.

 

I don't have a problem with the chips. Especially considering the character development of the Clones in TCW.

As for the Jedi unable to detect the chips, it doesn't surprise me. Their vision was severely clouded by the Dark side. Yoda and Obi-Wan said this several times throughout the prequels. There were far more obvious things they missed as well.

 

When are the gunships seen in space?

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Space_gunship/Canon

 

Well they were only actually in space in the Citadel and Umbara arcs. I like to think that they have a very limited air supply, hence why they always close the shutters, and are mainly used just for landing and low altitude assaults.

 

Come to think of it, how did the gunships reach Geonosis if they can't travel through space?

 

They were probably released from the assault cruisers once they entered the atmosphere.

 

Feel free to watch the music video, but to explain it, it's in the first 30 seconds or so.

 

In AOTC and ROTS, the gunships were transported onboard Repulic cruisers and Star Destroyers though space, then they would fly out after their carrier ship entered the lower atmosphere. The movie version of the gunships lack shutters, and even the doors did not close all the way, there was still a gap for the ball turrets to hang out. TCW versions lacked the doorless archways that the movie versions had and also lack the side ball turrets to allow the side doors to fully close. A space going gunship is never shown in ROTS and they appear the same as they did in AOTC. Lets just say TCW has elements that do not jive with the films and TCW changed stuff around as part of the TV adaption process. The gunships are even named LAAT, low attitude assault transports and by looking at the movie versions you can see they lack a pressureized cabin for even high attitude flight let alone space flight through vacuum, they also seem to use jet power instead of rocket thrusters so they could not fly in space either. TCW versions are just a major redesign and overhaul of the original live action counterparts. This goes with many other elements with TCW vs the PT. The clones are nicer in TCW than in the PT, Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Dooku behave differently than in the films, even Jabba is nicer in TCW, crab droids have only 4 legs in TCW while having 6 in ROTS, etc. This why comparing elements from TCW to the PT films is like apples and oranges.

 

While there were many discrepancies in TCW vs the PT, I feel most of it is simply an "expansion" of what we see in the PT. I've always felt the PT had giant holes in the story, battles, and technology. It wasn't until I watched TCW did the PT feel complete.

TCW showed a lot of variations in ships and Clone Troopers that we never get a chance to see in PT. I liked that about it.

 

Why should the Jedi sense chips? Really? Have we come to the point we feel that the Jedi can/should be able to sense anything someone deems a "plot hole" or Jedi deficiency? They're not super-human, perfect beings...but (to some fans) damn them if they fall short of perfection.

 

tcw is complete canon.

 

Well - the thing is just - some of the more POWERFUL and Legendary Jedi Masters - well Mace Windu had the precognitive gift of Shatterpoint ... and well there was Prong Krell who unlike Master Yoda - was actually able to foresee what the Republic was fated to be ... and had only he had not fallen to the Dark Side of the Force ... so...

 

Pong Krell had visions just like any other Jedi. There is no indication that I recall from TCW, that he knew anything more specific.

Yoda and others knew something was coming, they just didn't know how, and when. And Palpatine was actively clouding up there view.

 

I always had the impression that once Krell went dark, he wasn't blocked by the cloud of the darkside, and then got a clear glimpse of the future.

 

When did the Jedi become Robocops?

 

they were clouded by the dark side I want to know why did the clones not shoot anakin.