Why Didn't Yoda and Obi-wan Take Sidious?

Why would they divide their forces? Sidious is the greater threat than Vader. I think between Yoda and Obi-wan they could have killed Sidious.

 

It's been suggested before that they should've gone together first to Sidious and then to Vader. I think, though, that if Obiwan had come along with Yoda to Sidious, he would've been eliminated very quickly, in the manner of the posse, leaving Yoda one on one with Sidious anyway, and no-one to take Vader. In short, Yoda didn't rate Obiwan's chances against Sidious.

 

although Obi-wan handled Grievous by himself.

 

Yes, but Grievous isn't in the same league as Sidious, or as Mace Windu might say ... aint no ****** ballpark neither!

 

Hmmm hard to say...From what we see in ROTS, the Obi-Ani battle seems "stronger in the Force" than the Sidius-Yoda one...

Furthermore, Obi Wan has proven that he can stand against Sith Masters like Dooku...

But we are now entering the same path of the "how did Palpatine kill 3 Jedi Masters in 5 seconds" topic...Everything we say is just assumptions.....

 

Are you watching the same movies I am? In both fights against Dooku, Obi-Wan is taken out of the picture rather quickly.

 

Yeah you are right, what I meant was that he showed he can deflect lightning and other Force powers....

And the fact that he lost, didn't mean that he didnt fight well, at least mentally...

 

Obi-Wan was better off fighting Anakin. If anything, he would be in Yoda's way if they both took on Sidious together. Yoda even told Obi-Wan that Lord Sidious was far too powerful for him and that he wasn't strong enough to battle him. Obi-Wan barely defeated Darth Maul. He clearly was no match for Count Dooku not once, but twice. And the only reason he was able to defeat Anakin was because he got into Anakin's head at a opportune time. Had Anakin landed on his feet successfully, he would have killed Obi-Wan.


But to answer the question, it was better for both Jedi to take each Sith indivually.

 

Yeah, who cares whether the OT took place or not...

 

My cynical view is that quite a few of the events in ROTS, happened solely so that the OT could take place.

In a way it would have made more sense for Obi-Wan and Yoda to take Sidious together, but it would have been a risk, going back to the "how did Sidious kill 3 Jedi in 5 seconds" question. If Sidious had taken one of them, or both of them, who would have pursued Vader?

 

A lone survivor?

 

Excluding the classic trilogy it makes most sense for both to duel Vader, and then both take on Palpatine. They clearly feel Vader is weaker than Palpatine, so it makes sense to take out Vader before he can grow beyond even their combined power and then even if one died facing Palpatine, it wouldn't have mattered.
Yoda of course would not allow Obi Wan to face Palpatine as he knew he'd be nothing more than practise, and to be fair if there was no classic trilogy Palpatine probably would have taken out Yoda, whether in the duel or sending an army after him.

 

I have wondered about this question as well.

It would have made more sense... but then again Vader had just run off. In the time it would take for them to take Sidious, Vader probably in that same time had destroyed the temple (albeit with help). Who knew WHAT he was off doing or setting into motion.

Allowing that virus to spread unchecked so to speak may have seemed too dangerous.

 

The novel's stance seems to be that Obi-Wan would have been killed by Sidious' Force powers and that by attacking them separately they would actually create a possibility for success.

 

They were better off both taking Vader down. He was the bigger threat at the time, and if Yoda were there, he probably would have delivered the coup de grace without a second thought.

 

If Obiwan had been able to finish the job, and there hadn't been an OT, Yoda wouldn't have been required to take care of Vader.

 

I still don't understand why Yoda and Obi-wan had to take down Vader first, Vader was very powerful but also at that time overconfident in his force powers (trying to jump over Obi-wan stunt) if Yoda and Obi-wan killed Sidious first than the threat of Sith domination over the galaxy would have been removed because Vader had no political powers. Vader would have most likely turned into any other Sith lord prior to Sidious, flee to a remote part of the galaxy and train a apprentice. Yoda or Obi-wan could have retaken control and informed the senate that the chancellor was a Sith lord than make a "order 66" except this time it would be to hunt down and destroy Vader.

 

Except that Vader was, of the two, more dangerous. He was the implacable foe that would do anything at this point to gut every single Jedi alive. Sidious, sure he wanted the Jedi out of the way, but was he willing to squander resources hunting down each and every Jedi to the far corners of the Galaxy? Of course not, he had an Empire to run. Vader was the military man and he did everything he could to crush his foes.

Once they were rid of Vader, they gather up any surviving Jedi, get to some Red Guards and clone troopers while they're in the barracks, brutally mind-control them using the Force (who says they can't turn Mind Trick up to eleven), and Zerg Rush Palpatine in his chambers until he dies. Or just mindtrick a few of his red guards to be suicide bombers in his office. Seriously, these guards are like nine feet from the evil overlord and no one thought of trying to get one on the good side?

 

Every moment Sidious remained alive he was further entrenching his Empire and turning the galaxy against the treasonous Jedi. Without Sidious, Vader at that point was just a psychopath with a lightsabre. Although he was surely dangerous, and becoming exponentially more so, if he couldn't beat Obiwan one on one at that point, he was hardly going to eliminate all the remaining Jedi without Sidious.

 

The way the battle between Yoda ended up, to me at least, it seems that Obi Wan wouldnt have stood a chance against Sidious.

Sidious used Force lightning on Yoda which Yoda was able to block with his Bare hands. Never is it even hinted that Kenobi could do that and also Sidious just bombarded Yoda with the Senate house seats. Obi Wan could not have had the agility to dodge that like Yoda did while quickly climbing up them one by one to Sidious' location.

 

Also, keep in mind that, by killing Sidious, they wouldn't even be able to set things right. Who will the masses (at least of Coruscant) listen to? The Jedi, whose loyalty has been questioned, or their glorious leader Palpatine? Bumping him off would have the effect killing Caesar had on the Roman Senate. In other words, it would have backfired. Killing Anakin would have bought them time in the long game. Sidious would need a new apprentice and they'd have time to flee, regroup, and plan for when the time was right.

 

But if Sidious was dead he wouldn't be able to capitalize on any of that public favour. Are the Jedi more interested in destroying the Sith or being popular?

 

And what was Yoda's purpose? Simply to frigthen Sidius? I mean, the Jedi didn't have an option at that time...Most of them were wiped out, the Temple was burning and I think that the last thing they had in mind was did the public opinion think about them...

I think that Obi's first objective was to make Anakin try and rethink who he is and what he stands for....Not to kill him....

 

If Sidious died he would have been martyred by his supporters. If Anakin died, it would have been the death of a wayward psychopath. Yoda and Obi-Wan would have had a lynch mob after them the moment they stepped out of the Senate building. This time, composed of ordinary citizens, not clone mooks. The mistake is think public opinion is just a banal popularity contest - if everyone thinks the guy would just killed was the savior, do you REALLY think killing him will set things right?

 

Frankly, I think that Obi-Wan and Yoda should have simply got the hell out and find refuge somewhere, like they eventually did. They should have realized that they and the rest of the Jedi were at a position in which they would ultimately lose - regardless of whether they had been able to kill both Anakin and Palpatine or not. I simply cannot see the Galactic Senate turning a blind eye to Jedi Master killing the Chancellor/Emperor without their knowledge or consent.