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Why didn't Yoda or Obi-Wan tell Luke about Padme?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by DARTHDEX, Oct 23, 2004.

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  1. DARTHDEX

    DARTHDEX Jedi Youngling star 2

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    In ROTJ Luke asks Leia about their mother. Why didn't Obi-Wan or Yoda tell Luke about the kind of person Padme was?
    Yoda(To Padme): "Seeing you safe brings warm feelings to my heart". Yoda thought alot of Padme, he should have told Luke all about her.
     
  2. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Because george didn't know much about her then.
     
  3. Super_Secret_Mario

    Super_Secret_Mario Jedi Youngling star 1

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    "Because george didn't know much about her then."

    I think he is aware of the real-life explanations & wants to discuss story explanations.
     
  4. DARTHDEX

    DARTHDEX Jedi Youngling star 2

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    George says he had the whole story thought out. I think it might have led to how she died. Kind of not ready for the burden were you situation.
     
  5. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    Remember, these are still two Jedi who come from an era where Jedi don't have parents. They themselves aren't used to the idea. And though their opinions on the matters of attachment have likely been changed or at least challenged, old habits die hard.

    They probably first of all didn't really think of telling Luke about Padmé. Secondly, it's yet another person who's dead that they're somewhat responsible for and I'm sure they just don't like to talk about things like that. Thirdly, Luke didn't ask :p


    -sj loves kevin spacey
     
  6. BauconBatista

    BauconBatista Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Not only had George NOT come up with Padme yet(Along with Qui-Gon or any of the other prequel jedi), he simply didn't need to. Obi-Wan and Yoda would rather want Luke to concentrate on the present instead of getting all sad and melodramatic over past events.
     
  7. darthnick11

    darthnick11 Guest

    well ya. he didn't have everything already written out, or we wouldn't have had to wait so long for episode III as they would've started filming right after AotC.
     
  8. Obi_Frans

    Obi_Frans Jedi Padawan star 4

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    No, cause Anakin needed to "toughen" himself up before Episode III (you'll understand when you see him).

    And there's absolutely no need for them to tell Luke about Padme, storywise.
     
  9. openmind

    openmind Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Luke already knows that he had a father, but if Yoda were to talk about his mother, then so much for considering making him a Jedi.

    Anakin's first problem was worrying about his mother.
    o_O
     
  10. JoshDorst

    JoshDorst Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Because then Luke would have become angry and anger leads to hatred and hatred leads to the Dark Side.
    Anyway, how do you know Obi-Wan didn't tell Luke about Padme when he was telling Luke the truth on Dagobah after Yoda died? The scene cuts away while they are still talking. They could have discussed his mother.
     
  11. Grand-Moff-Tarkin

    Grand-Moff-Tarkin Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Maybe Luke just assumed that he was a virgin birth from Anakin, and had no reason to think he had a mother. :D

    That may have led to some personal issues though.
     
  12. DarthLazious

    DarthLazious Jedi Youngling star 4

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    I think he did but it was off screen.
     
  13. WhiskeyGold

    WhiskeyGold Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yoda was about to die in Jedi, he didnt have the time.
    Also they were pressed for time, there was no reason, if not asked, to bring up Padme.

    Maybe he thought only Owen lied to him about his father, not his mother.
    In all, they were pressed for time, they didnt have time for Obi-wan to pull out his old Jedi Yearbook and go down memory line.
    "Oh and this here is your mother, fine young woman. Find"
    "And this is Jar Jar Bink, if there ever was a class clown, Jar Jar was it. I remember his fun charm even to this day"
    "And there i am Luke, oh how young I was. Nice Mullet. SO much hair, so young. Was I ever this young. I remember one day me and daddy, Annie as some called him, we were going over to Naboo......"
     
  14. anidanami124

    anidanami124 Jedi Master star 6

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    Simple answer like others have said GL did not know her name until he sat down to work out TPM.
     
  15. WhiskeyGold

    WhiskeyGold Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I believe the quesiton i was ask in the mind frame of "Star Wars story" not in the mind frame of "Making of Star Wars"
    I could be wrong.
    If needed Lucas would have came up with a name, there was no need to bring her up.

     
  16. MikeSolo

    MikeSolo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Because Obi Wan could probably tell Luke already had unpure thoughts about his sister. So telling him or showing him what is mom looked like who knows what he would of thought then hahahahahaha :p
     
  17. Danny Torrance

    Danny Torrance Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I agree that there were more pressing matters going on when Ben and Yoda both died. They only told him very specific things relevant to his present battles with Vader.

    Anyway, the ghosts of Yoda, Anakin and Obi-Wan probably could fill them all in now that the war was over and there was more time.

    FirstStarWars- I like the Obi-Wan Yearbook scene!

     
  18. ROWANGOD

    ROWANGOD Jedi Youngling

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    its simple
    they didnt tell luke about padme
    because most likely
    anakin kills padme
    (*hopefully*)
    or is at least very responsible for her death
    so if they told luke about her
    he would ask
    "where is she?"
    they'd say
    "she died"
    he'd say
    "How?"
    and they'd say vader/ur father
    either or
    killed her
    so chances are
    since he didnt care much for uncle owen, but aunt beru was nicer
    he wouldnt be as willing to forgive his father for killing her
    if they just said vader killed her
    luke would have used that rage to kill vader and/or go to the dark side
    he wouldnt be able to sense the good in vader/or his father
    no matter what
     
  19. inkswamp

    inkswamp Jedi Master star 3

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    I usually try to steer clear of answers that delve too much into the storytelling mechanics as they usually don't shed much light (i.e., the "Lucas hadn't invented her yet" type responses.) In this case, however, I think a quick glance in that direction will yield a little clarity. I also have a "story" answer too in the last paragraph so bear with me.

    If it's true that Lucas did build SW on mythic archetypes (and it's pretty obvious IMO that he did) then consider the classic myths and stories where the hero typically doesn't know much about his/her own parents. The parents are shrouded in some mystery or have been separated from the hero. This concept ties into the whole motif in mythology that your life is a struggle to cut the cord, so to speak, to break ties with your parental influences (authoritative powers) and strike out on your own.

    You can see echoes of that in the arguments Luke has with Uncle Owen, right? You also don't have to think too hard to come up with lots of other examples of the "missing parents" theme. Disney films and fairy tales are rife with them--Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, etc.

    Anyway, the decision to leave Padme a mystery in the OT, I think, ties into the mythological ideas that Lucas was using as a guide.

    Incidentally, that's partly why Vader's true identity has such impact. You are left to believe that Luke is "cutting the cord" for the first film and most of the second, only to find out that he is more intimately tied to at least one of his parents more than anyone expected and that his actions have been guided by his own father to a large extent. When Vader reveals this info, Luke takes a huge step backward in his personal voyage to determine his own path.

    From a pure story point of view, it's hard to figure out, huh? You can sort of say that Obi-Wan and Yoda not telling Luke more about Padme was simply that it served no purpose. That's fair enough, but a more satisfactory explanation would be that the topic of Luke's mom was avoided as it might lead to uncomfortable questions about his past that might lead to too much info about his father.
     
  20. Dagobah-jay

    Dagobah-jay Jedi Youngling star 1

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    an equal question: why didnt luke ask them about her?

    all lucas should have done is this IMo..

    "your mother and father were killed by a former pupil of mine who turned to evil, Darth Vader. Your father was a good friend and the best apple floater in the galaxy"

    "They left stuff for you to give to you when you were old enough...Ben pulls out the lightsaber, Ben pulls out the jada snippett..."

     
  21. Saberwielder315

    Saberwielder315 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    First looking at it from a Lucas point of view, though he probaly had the story all thought out, he did not have names yet nor a strong background. Looking at it from a Jedi point of view. Do we all remember how much Anakin cared for his mother? Do we all remember what Anakin did after Mommy died? What if Yoda was like, "hey Luke guess what, your dad's darth vader and when he was goin over to the dark side he chocked her and threw her against a wall." I think it is better off that Luke did not find these things out.


    TLJ Edit: possible spoiler
     
  22. WhiskeyGold

    WhiskeyGold Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    wow not wasn't a ROTS spoiler was iT??
     
  23. ob1rocks

    ob1rocks Jedi Youngling

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    Obi-Wan mentions Luke's father in ANH as a means of getting him interested in leaving Tatooine and planting a seed for Luke to face Vader down the road. Yoda never brings up Luke's family...Luke does after learning the truth from Vader. "Told you did he?"

    Also, Luke has grown up knowing that his parents are dead and probably dealt with those types of issues while on the homestead. The only reason he's wanting to explore his father is because it's Vader. He asks Leia not because he wants to know about his mother, but to open Leia's mind to the fact that Leia has force powers.

    Long story short, Luke never seems interested in knowing more about his parents (except for the Vader stuff) and the Jedi way is to remove those emotional ties.
     
  24. ROWANGOD

    ROWANGOD Jedi Youngling

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  25. JediKnightOB1

    JediKnightOB1 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    What is Obi-Wan or Yoda going to say to Luke?

    Ah yeah, Luke, Yeah well you know that Owen and Beru are dead... well you know that a young Jedi by the name of Darth Vader killed your dad... Well you are never going to believe this...

    It has no reason to be in the story. Most likely Luke was told that his father was killed in the Clone Wars and that his mother died during or shortly after childbirth.

    I mainly believe that Obi-Wan and Yoda did not tell Luke about Padme is because they would both have been distracted.

    Obi-Wan: "Dude (Luke) your mom was hot."

    Yoda: "Smoking she was."

    Obi-Wan: "Bro, this one time on Geonosis she was wearing this white jumpsuit. I almost lost it, she was fine.

    Yoda: "Do her, I would."

    I would find it a little distracting if someone talked about my mom that way.
     
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