Why Does Anakin Appear Weaker Once He Turns To The Darkside?

We all know the darkside of the force is stonger in terms of raw power, than the light side. Sidious displays this fact oh so well by throwing those senate pods at Yoda like frisbees. However, GL's protaganist Anakin, never for a single solitary moment appears any stronger than he previously was, upon turning. In fact, from my vantage point, it's quite the contrary. He becomes weaker. Why is this? Your thoughts?

Edit: BTW, I'm NOT referring to when he becomes bionic, AKA Suited Darth Vader.

 

What are you basing your hypothesis on?

 

Yoda said the darkside isnt stronger, just easier,faster, more seductive. Right?

 

What are you basing your hypothesis on?

Just what I observed in the film. No more. No less.

 

Yoda was wrong. Lucas has said that the Dark Side is stronger, only that it leads to ultimate inner self-destruction.

 

Yoda was wrong. Lucas has said that the Dark Side is stronger, only that it leads to ultimate inner self-destruction.

yoda's authority outranks lucas'!

and btw, i think this is more about what anakin could become rather than what he is in rots.

 

Maybe stronger in other ways? Like keeping yourself alive while being burned to death...

 

"Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful, but he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there?s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he?s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor. So that isn?t what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the Dark Side. You?ll see, as this goes on, Luke is faced with the same issues and practically the same scenes that Anakin is faced with. Anakin says yes and Luke says no."

--George Lucas, quoted in J. Windolf, ?Star Wars: The Last Battle,? Vanity Fair, 2005


"He's so overwhelming in that first film, but you get to the point where you say, "Wait a minute, if he's so powerful, why doesn't he run the universe?" He even gets pushed around by the governors! They know the Emperor is the final word, so what happens is the same thing that happens in any corporation: Everybody worries about the top man, they don't worry about his goon. And by the time the Death Star is finished, it gives them the sense that they have a bigger, better suit than Darth Vader. In a standoff between the Death Star and Darth Vader, they have no question about who would win, and it's not this mumbo-jumbo Sith guy. So it's even more tragic, because he's not even an all-powerful bad guy, he's kind of a flunky."

--George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview 2005.

"At this point, Vader?s plan really, now that he knows he?s his son, is to convince him to come with him. Join the Dark Side and together they?re going to overthrow the Emperor, which is the thematic devices used through the whole movies in terms of the Sith, which is Sith Lords are usually no more than two because if there are three, then two of them will gang up on one to try to become the dominate Sith. Anakin would have been able to do it if he hadn?t been debilitated and now he?s half machine and half man, so he?s lost a lot of the power of the Force, and he?s lost a lot of his ability to be more powerful then the Emperor. But Luke hasn?t. Luke is Vader?s hope. His motives at this point are purely evil. He simply wants to continue on what he was doing before which is get rid of the Emperor and make himself Emperor. He only sees his son as a mechanism for the ambition. His mad lust of power."

--George Lucas, TESB DVD Commentary.


"And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

--George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

"The Emperor wants Luke to kill Vader so that he will have a new young Jedi. Lets face it Vader is half mechanical and he is not half as good as he could be. He is not nearly as good as he was hoping Anakin would become because Anakin ends up in the suit. He is hoping he gets a new better apprentice in Luke. If he kills his father then he would take his place as an apprentice; which actually there is something that in the next film is how Anakin becomes his apprentice. There are a lot of things repeated in these movies. Fathers vs Sons."

--George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.


There's your answer.

 

I wasn't talking about him after he becomes Darth Vader. The time frame I was alluding to, with regards to him appearing weaker, occurs between the moment he his knighted by Sidious, until he gets dismembered by Obi-Wan...before the helmet.

 

what in the movie did u see that made u think he became weaker after he turned? He may have not become stronger because he was still emotionaly torn, and thats why he lost to Obi, but weaker? I didnt see him as being weaker

 

heres the thing how do you know hes weaker

 

He did kill Nute Gunray. That's challenging.

 

LOL, it's funny cause alot of people wanted to see him killing tons of jedi during the purge, instead we got him killing younglings and a bunch of defenseless Separtist leader, WOW what a bad a**.

 

TO GEN KENOBI. he lost to Obi-Wan A) they were both exhausted force and physically (Anakin the more so since he killed all the jedi in temple cis killing and batlle all right by another) B)what you said C)He had the disadvante
and to the guy who made the forum up lets see you face ep.III anakin in a lightsaber fight and see who wins (force aside)

 

Yes, another example of how the PT changed our preconceived notions from the OT.

But even in the OT, the main thing Vader does is choke Imperial Officers, who don't seem to be able to put up much of a fight

 

Let's look at the facts first. The darkside is stronger than the light in terms of power. Anakin has the highest midochlorian count-27,000 to be precise, That's a whopping 10,000 more than Yoda, who's the most powerful Jedi! Plus he's the chosen one, a demi-god if you will. So, taking into consideration his "stats," logically you would assume he'd be ridiculously strong in the force after converting to the darkside. Yet, where does this display of his overwhelming power occur in the film? Never! He's clearly weaker when he fights Obi-Wan, than he was when he fights Dooku. You'd think that Anakin should have been able to pick up Obi-Wan using the force, and just toss him in the lava, without even breaking a sweat, yet they appear EQUAL in the duel! Where's the "Power Of The Darkside" at? I didn't see it. Did you?

 

he's stronger!

he could benchpress 200 kilos before the turn.
after he could do 250.

 

Do you think that Anakin was able to use "The Power of the Darkside" to it's full potential?
Don't you need to be trained in the Dark arts, like Sidious trained Maul and Dooku?

It didn't seem like Anakin had much time for "dark side lessons," as he was busy slaughtering padawan's and separatists.

btw, where did you get the midi counts? Are they on the OS?

 

Anakin's the same as he was before going bionic. The only change is that he hasn't reached his full potential, yet. He is unleashing his anger and hate, which gives him the freedom to be unrestrained. But mainly, he hasn't reached his full potential.

Sidious: "Darth Vader will become stronger than either one of us."

 

Anakin is angry and focused in his fight with dooku, while in his duel with Obi, he was angry,confused,sad, and very very far from focused, plus Obi Wan did train him which contributed to the fact that he won, he was prepared for pretty much anything Anakin would throw at him.

 

That seems to be the case. Obi-Wan was an extraordinary Jedi.

 

That's not what the book says...the "official" book.

 

Do you think that Anakin was able to use "The Power of the Darkside" to it's full potential?

No. But given his inherent strength, plus years of training as a Jedi, it's only logical that he should have come off a whole lot stronger than he did after turning.

 

Anyway, what specificially makes you think he's weaker?

 

I actually saw Anakin as stronger once he turned. Had we seen more of Anakin fighting Jedi, I think more people would see it that way too.

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