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Saga Why does Disney seem to shun the prequels for fear of fan reaction, but not the ST?.

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Brer79, Apr 15, 2025.

  1. Brer79

    Brer79 Jedi Master star 1

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    I heard a big reason PT elements were left out of the ST was because Disney thought they were unpopular.
    Out comes the Sequels, along with similar disappoint from fans. The only difference is, Disney just shrugs ST hate off as "Trolls".
    I just don't understand how they're worried about reactions to PT content, but could care less about reactions to ST content.
     
  2. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Two Truths & Lie winner! star 6 VIP - Game Winner

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    I think that JJAbrams was ant-PT, but otherwise PT stuff has been turning up a lot in other projects.
     
  3. Power of the Dark Side

    Power of the Dark Side Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Andor builds on the prequels a lot, so does Obi-Wan Kenobi. But I agree more stuff set during, just before or just after the prequels would be good.
     
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  4. Brer79

    Brer79 Jedi Master star 1

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    I would love an Andor type show set between Episodes I and II.
     
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  5. Power of the Dark Side

    Power of the Dark Side Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yes that sounds interesting. Do you have a specific idea?
     
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  6. Brer79

    Brer79 Jedi Master star 1

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    How the Invasion of Naboo affected trust in the senate and it's accelerated crumble into the Clone Wars.

    I mean it's one of the largest gaps between episodes and there's next to no content about it.
     
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  7. Power of the Dark Side

    Power of the Dark Side Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Interesting, the political side is one the most fascinating aspects of the PT to me. I guess there's Palps accumulation of power, the gradual rise of authoritarian measures, the Senate turning on itself, yes I think there's lots of material there.
     
  8. darthfettus2015

    darthfettus2015 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That was mostly in the initial production of episode 7 to avoid the toxic fanbase that had revolted against the PT. By episode 8 they were referencing anakins laser sword phrase and Darth sidious
     
  9. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    JJ is actually a PT fan and likes ROST very mutch, he was at the Clone Wars movie premiere.
     
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  10. darthfettus2015

    darthfettus2015 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    He was trying to appease the prequel haters which is why parts of TFA were said to be too similar to anh
     
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  11. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Two Truths & Lie winner! star 6 VIP - Game Winner

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    What are his favorite scenes of the PT? also - what's ROST?
     
  12. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    The opera scenes when talking about Darth Plagueis is one i remember him talking about and i meant ROTS.
     
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  13. Wild Bantha Chase

    Wild Bantha Chase Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I think it's because they used a lot of OT elements in the ST, less cgi, brought back the old cast and thought it would be enough to become popular so they think they did everything right and the people disliking must be sexist or racist. TFA was fairly well received but TLJ was hugely divisive due to Luke and Rey's treatment. By the time of TROS a lot of the hype was lost so they brought back Palpatine to generate interest.
     
  14. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 4

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    Why? Because most of the people who signed off on the ST still work at Lucasfilm, so they have a vested interest in pretending it wasn't a steaming pile of trash.
     
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  15. jaimestarr

    jaimestarr Force Ghost star 4

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    I understand your perspective, but I don't think it's accurate to say Disney "shunned" prequel content. What we saw with the sequel trilogy was more of a deliberate stylistic choice to recapture the feel of the original trilogy rather than an attempt to distance themselves from the prequels.

    The sequel trilogy actually included several prequel references – from Kylo Ren referring to a "clone army" in The Force Awakens Ewan McGregor's voice cameos as Obi-Wan during Rey's Force vision, the mention of Darth Sidious and the "revenge of the Sith" in TLJ, Palpatine's return incorporating elements of his "unnatural" powers mentioned in Revenge of the Sith. Hell, the fact that Palpatine was brought back can likely be attributed to a lot of the narrative cache the PT gave to his character. Plus, TROS featured MOST of the prominent Jedi from the PT chiming in to guide/help/inspire Rey.

    Beyond the ST trilogy, Disney embraced prequel content in projects like Rogue One (bringing back Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa), Solo (featuring Darth Maul and references to the criminal organizations from the prequels), and most significantly by reviving The Clone Wars for a final season and continuing that era's storytelling with The Bad Batch.

    It's worth remembering that the prequels faced much harsher criticism in their time than the sequels did. Lucas has spoken in interviews about his frustration with the fan backlash to the prequels, which reportedly contributed to his decision to sell Lucasfilm. The sequel trilogy, despite its divisive reception among some fans, performed better commercially and critically overall. Yeah, fans pissed and moaned...but it wasn't nearly what the PT (and it's fans) had to endure.

    Generally, I think SW fans tend to draw much harder lines between Star Wars iterations than Disney does. At the end of the day, Disney is a business looking for storytelling opportunities that will resonate with audiences and generate revenue. They'll incorporate elements from any Star Wars era if they see potential there. These rigid distinctions between prequel, original, and sequel content seem to matter far more to certain segments of the fandom than to the company actually making the creative decisions.

    What we're seeing now with shows like The Mandalorian and Ahsoka is Disney gradually incorporating elements from all eras of Star Wars storytelling – not playing favorites, but drawing from the entire saga to build something new.
     
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  16. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I'm actually going to argue that they haven't shunned the PT in favor of the ST - at least not since about 2017, when we saw a halt to a lot of ST related material and noticed slowdowns and a lack of investment in some future ST projects, though I feel this way primarily because of the gigantic shadow the PT-era left in terms of content and products before and after ROTS's release. I think the current situation is still primarily focused on further exploiting and expanding the OT-era and the time periods closer to it, with some moderate "porting-in" of select PT and ST elements.

    They *started* trying to push the ST more than the PT for one sensible reason (that was their current project) and one stupid reason (fear of PT haters)... then I think they slowed down considerably when they realized that exactly *what* the ST was was still very much in flux, who mattered more and who didn't, and what actual characterizations and themes were supposed to be highlighted and which weren't... while at the same time there was a brief resurgence in PT stuff as well, and Ahsoka especially raised the importance of that era.

    I don't think it's a coincidence that Poe's comic ended shortly after TLJ came out, or that the Resistance cartoon ended fairly quickly (not cancelled, it just had a short run) right after it reached the timeframe of the films - but I don't think that was so much a reaction against the ST but instead just awareness that the big decisions were probably above most everyone's paygrade.
     
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  17. clonegeek

    clonegeek Jedi Knight star 4

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    I also think its interesting to see how little merch the ST has gotten in recent years compared to the PT
     
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  18. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Again, true… but I again think some of this is an accidental self-fulfilling prophecy hitting a confluence of other unfortunate factors.

    On the one hand, yes, as some people have pointed out, Millenials in the 00s were more toy-obsessed than Gen Z in the 10s… but I also think that LFL were already pivoting away from the initial successes they had with TFA’s release because of their preconceived notions about who and what should be the main attraction to the audience. There were three noteworthy successes or surprising overwhelming demands in merchandise (whether from adult Millenial demand or Gen Z desire) for arguably the three main characters of TFA: Kylo Ren, who’s villainous helmeted look seemed to have been successfully merchandised according to LFL’s expectations, and Rey and Finn, for whom it seems LFL had actually vastly underestimated demand for…

    …But by the time that merchandise information could be confirmed, Rian Johnson’s script for TLJ was already approved and the film in production - with priorities like “demote and de-emphasize Finn, and mostly only use Rey to help sell a helmetless Kylo as a sex symbol” as the major goal… which, considering Rey and Finn had their merch under-produced for TFA, might imply that LFL had already expected and even sort of hoped all three of their TFA forms wouldn’t be that popular so that their gamble they were correctly “course correcting” would be true.

    I think LFL was genuinely gambling way back before TFA even came out that Adam Driver’s mug would be the biggest selling point for the ST, and weren’t ready for an already maybe older market to actually like his helmeted look as a foil to heroic characters LFL didn’t particularly understand (Rey) or even want (Finn).

    …And then you’ve got stuff like how TLJ Luke probably is very emphatically not supposed to encourage merchandise purchasing, y’know? Nor is Poe…
     
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  19. darthfettus2015

    darthfettus2015 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Also I think the toys have been reduced in importance as the original fans and even their kids have grown up... think it's why Andor has hit a nerve..new star wars for a more adult perspective.. looking to the past for inspiration but not nostalgic
     
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  20. gezvader28

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    I thought toys were for kids.



    :p
     
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  21. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    Not many kids play with toys anymore, they got smart phones now
     
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  22. AndyLGR

    AndyLGR Force Ghost star 5

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    It always amazes me when people still have carded figures hidden away from when they were a kid. All of mine were ripped open on the day I got them (more often than not Christmas Day) and I played the hell out of them..... and enjoyed every single minute of it creating different scenes. What a time to be alive.

    My mum and dad were never well off enough to buy 2 and put one of them away for the future, let alone to consider that they may be worth something somewhere along the line. Especially as there were thousands upon thousands of them in shops. Now you've got people scooping these new ones off the shelves and keeping them boxed. But I do think the price tag is aimed at these people with that disposable income, rather than kids. Will these modern figures ever be worth something?
     
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  23. Sarge

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    Haven't those "collectors" watched Toy Story 2? Shame on them!
     
  24. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I think kids still get toys to play with primarily today... but I think smartphones and the rise of geek culture in young adults/full grown adults have modified the marketplace from when most of us were younger, so older collectors and adult "display artists" (no sarcasm meant; I actually think the guys who get the toys out to make cool dioramas are on to a cool idea) now make up a more significant (though probably not majority) of the marketplace.

    ...But that doesn't really change the discussion.

    It just means that the combination of children and adult collectors wanted more stuff with Rey and Finn than LFL expected when TFA came out, then *everything*, including Rey and Finn, dropped after TLJ came out and reshuffled priorities - or that we went from Marvel confidently trumpeting the Poe book to quietly ending it and waiting years before trying to fill space with a Kylo book - or that we've seen two cartoon shows more closely tied to TCW than to the ST, and that the D+ shows tend to hang around the OT instead.

    Again, I think LFL started wanting to put focus on the ST over the PT... but that their priorities shifted so much between ST films that the ancillary creators quietly backed away from the ST, and now the PT is resurgent in comparison, more because of clarity than confidence.

    There's a lot more reason to be confident your employers will be happy with you making a spin-off book of a background PT character than there is of making a book based off a surviving, important ST character like Finn.
     
  25. gezvader28

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    I think what happened was come the PT fans were now aware that un-opened SW toys were worth a fortune, and so they/we bought tons of TPM toys to keep in speculation, but of course it never became valuable because too many of us kept them unopened.
    Then we get to the ST and Disney knew we weren't gonna do that again and produced less merch.
     
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