Why does Dooku still embrace the name Dooku???

In Return of the Jedi, Luke says "I know that you were once Anakin Skywalker my father." Vaders reply is "that name no longer has any meaning to me" It's as though he was really angry about it as well.

My question is why doesn't Dooku correct the Jedi, especially Yoda when they call him "Count Dooku". He should have pointed out "oh no old fool, your apprentice Dooku is no more I am Darth Tyranus" or something to that effect. Did this bother anyone else??? Also on all the merchandising and even on this board we all call him "Dooku" but the truth is we never really see "Dooku" by the time he shows up in AOTC he is very much Darth Tyranus

 

There are several possible reasons for why Dooku didn't care about his new sith name much.

1. GL either forgot about it or didn't care much for naming him Tyranus for the whole film, but instead just has it said at the end. It's much more fun to watch someone call Christopher Lee a Count isn't it? hehe...

2. Dooku's name is well known across the republic. Perhaps he's a type of celebrity and using his real name is just easier for everyone.

3. He's not fully under the influence of the Dark Side?

4. He doesn't like the name Tyranus but goes along with it anyway to please his master.

5. He's really dumb and has no idea why he thought joining the sith was going to make the world a better place? Uh...

6. (Don't flame me for this, but it could be true.) Possibly, Tyranus could have been a name for a new Darth Maul type of [throw away] villian, but GL had the chance to cast Chris Lee who was also doing Lord of the Rings at the time and didn't want to pass up the oppurtunity, so he created a Count guy.
That's all I can think of.

 

Dooku is probably doing the samething as Palpatine. Probably the only person who refers to him as Lord or Darth Tyranus is Palpatine since neither of them want anyone to know that Dooku and Tyranus are the same person.

 

It would probably have been pretty hard for him to recrute for his seperatist movement if he had decided against keeping the name Dooku:

"Yeah, I really think that you should join my Seperatist movement. What? My name? Oh, I am Darth Tyrannaus, the Sith. Uh...you can trust me, though. I am one of the good ones."



Mace Windy,
too windy for spoilers!

 

^yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If he told Yoda that his name was really Tyranus, then Obi-Wan would be able to make the connection that Tyranus recruited Jango and Tyranus=Dooku.

 

Jango's a tricky bastard, working for both sides. How can the jedi not see it.

 

That is a good point but,
Mace Windy's explanation sounds good.

 

The CIS seem pretty ignorant about the sith's true scheme. Sooo I don't think it would have mattered much if he revealed his sith name to them. They knew of and worked with Darth Sidious AND Darth Maul... hmm...

 

That shouldn't be surprising. Most of the CIS is in there for the economic benefits and not so much the glorious ideals of fair democracy in light of the stagnating Republic. It's not different than how Palpatine steered both the Jedi and Senate in the direction he needed without them ever knowing better.

 

My alternative, but not necessarily disagreeing explanation is that the rejection of your old identity is not really part of being a Sith. Or not necessarily, anyway.

I mean, I'm HCSF, but I'd imagine that Anakin goes through a lot to become Vader. At the very least, we know he ends up having a duel with his former master and ends up betrying (or feeling betrayed by, or both) all the things he once held dear. So it's possible that when Vader made that comment, he just meant that for him, that part of his life was too painful and too distant to think about.

So in other words, he was speaking from his own human experience, rather than from the position of a Sith--in which case it would be more evidence he was warming to Luke and feeling conflicted. Further, if that were the case, I wouldn't expect Dooku to say something like that, since he's always been alright with who he was, unlike Anakin, who was very troubled, and had problems with self-image.

 

"Yeah, I really think that you should join my Seperatist movement. What? My name? Oh, I am Darth Tyrannaus, the Sith. Uh...you can trust me, though. I am one of the good ones."

 

It's better for him to use his own name rather than his Sith name. If people knew he was a Sith, they might not have been so eager to have dealings with him. With Dooku having a seemingly Jedi affilation, its easy to assume that he's the right man to go to.


Plus the Sith are supposed to be in hiding. His red lightsaber blade should have been a hint that he was a Sith, after TPM the Jedi knew the Sith had returned.

 

He essentially seems to be using Dooku as his "alter ego". It really isn't that different from superheroes. Depending on who he is dealing with, it is more advantagous to use one name or the other.

 

Yep, Dooku was a well respected person in the Republic. The name Tyranus would have confused the Separatists something awful. Jeepers, Dooku flat out tell Obi the truth about everything going on and Obi acts like a know-it-all and cynically brushes it off. Pfft... that's so wrong...

"Lies and deceit are his ways now"

Yoda, you idiot.

 

i would change it as well and not just because he turned to the dark side. dooku, what kind of a name is that...?

 

Firstly, Lucas wanted us to be unsure about wether he was bad for as long as possible, or even just to keep a little bit of doubt.

That, and I beleive that he didn't want the Jedi to know he's a Sith. Like when he was offering to destroy the Sith.

 

2. Dooku's name is well known across the republic. Perhaps he's a type of celebrity and using his real name is just easier for everyone.

That makes a lot of sense. Remember, we know he's Sith and therefore a bad guy. The people in the Seperatist movement probably don't. A powerful ex-jedi count can do wonders recruiting people to the cause in name alone. That, and Darth Tryanus well has that ominous(sp) "dark" kind of ring to it. Good bad guy name. Not a good "Politcal Idealist" name.


Firstly,

Is that a real word?

 

The idea that if people knew he was a Sith that they wouldn't be so eager to jump on the CIS bandwagon doesn't really hold up.

Why?

Because in TPM the TF address "Lord Sidious". They used his Sith name and made a deal with him. And they knew full-well they were working for the Sith.

 

^ is true. But evenso, the trade federation was not the only faction that made up te seperatists, was it?

I guess maybe the genosians, for example, didn't mind killing a few jedi that invaded their planet, but would not be so thrilled of being used by two Sith. No?

[edit: faction names wrong]

 

I also think that the reason he uses his Jedi name is for political porpuses, as well, but for different reasons.

If you were trying to break away and from a new goverment, would you use someone named Dooku, or would you follow someone named Tyrannus (Tyranny/Tyrant)?

Edit: Wording

 

He goes by the name Dooku because it makes the jedi think he is just a "political idealist". The jedi dont know that the separtist movement is being controlled by the sith, just some ex-jedi.

 

Darth Sidious still uses his real name, Palpatine, as a politician because he needs it for his plans. Dooku does the same thing. Still, I prefer to call him Darth Tyranus. In my opinion, it sounds better than Count Dooku.

 

Hi everybody. Great thread. Here's my thinking: Remember how in the scene added to A New Hope where Luke meets up with Biggs before the Death Star battle? Originally (and I don't remember where I saw this, sorry) Luke was told if he was half the pilot his father was (or something like that) then 'You'll do alright.' This was re-edited to just 'You'll do alright.' It implies that nobody knows Luke is Anakin's son. But beyond that, it got me thinking maybe Anakin is believed dead at a certain point by everyone but Yoda and Obi-wan? So the fact that Darth Vader is Anakin really is a secret to the universe and everyone thinks Anakin's dead.

 

Firstly,

Is that a real word?

Despite what a lot of people think, it actuallt is.

 

oops. to clarify a bit: Dooku keeps his name because as has been pointed out he's still in contact with the Sith's enemies. And the fact that the Sith even exist still has to be hidden from the Jedi and anyone friendly to the republic. Sidious can reveal himself to the Niemodians as they're in league. But maybe Anakin is believed dead so his dual identity is only known to those he believes are no longer a threat. Hence he only has to go by Darth Vader. Convoluted but makes a little sense, maybe?