Why does everyone think Yoda is so powerful?

I mean, seriously. In the entire saga he only had two fights: he loses one and the other is a draw.

Everyone is like "Oh but he's more powerful in the force". But what has he ever done that's so amazing with the force? Levitated Luke's little Volkswagon sized ship? It took him like 20 seconds to hurl a senate pod back at Palpatine (because Palpy let him while laughing at him) when Palps was throwing multiple pods at great speed.

Then everyone is like "oh but he's so wise". I'm sorry, but if he was so smart and wise he would have realized the dude that lives next door is a sith lord hell-bent on destroying the Jedi and taking over the galaxy. Then nobody would have died and the galaxy wouldn't be screwed.

Am I missing something or does twirling around doing gymnastics with a lightsaber and speaking like an idiot somehow make you super powerful?

Oh, and that's another thing. Yoda is like 900 years old. Why hasn't he learned to speak English properly yet? Pft, idiot.

Yoda is like 900 and Palpatine learned as much as he did in like 1/15th of the time and yet people always put Yoda at the top of a "who's the most powerful" list. Honestly I just think people have a fanboy obsession with Yoda so will put him at the top of any list even though he never does anything very impressive.

 

Well, as you already know, the Sith use the Force with hate and anger, that's why they do stronger stuff than the Jedi. Yoda actually draws both battles...The Emperor doesn't beat him, infact before the time of the blow that throws Yoda away, the Emperor's face expression shows that he really struggles...

My opinion is that it's true, that in the way that Yoda is depicted in the movies, he doesn't stand up on his legend as the most powerful Jedi, at least not a lot better than the rest...He is depicted to really struggle to even stop smaller objects like the cans thrown by Dooky in Geonosis...

I think that everyone agrees that Sidious does far bigger things with the Dark Side of the Force, but you can't put them together, they are different...

As to his wisdom, you say that he couldn't see that Palpatine was the Emperor...In my knowledge regarding Star Wars, Sidius disguissed his true identity very well, that's why NOONE could discover him...So the Jedi couldn't find his true id before he actually started doing things a little bit more in the daylight...

 

There's little that I can think of in the saga which shows any Jedi to be more powerful than Yoda in terms of combat.

In terms of wisdom, Qui Gon and Luke could certainly be said to be ahead of him.

 

*he Survived Order 66, including returning to the Temple
*he is shown to be a respected Jedi Master
*Has a High Midi-Chlorian Count
*Darth Sidious attempts to run away from him, rather then fight him...
*He then Survived the duel with Sidous

 

"*Darth Sidious attempts to run away from him, rather then fight him..."

But then Yoda runs away from Darth Sidious at the end...

 

True, but Sidious has a whole Clone Army to help back him up, which was most likely on its way to help Sidious

 

Darth Chickenboobs... pfff. Haha.

 

It's simple logic. He is tiny, he is old and he speaks like a fortune cookie.
You do the math.





Movie logic - it's something else
/LM

 

The Mr Miyagi rationale!

 

Wisdom equals Power is not necessarily true.

Yoda is the master of Wisdom. We all got to know him through the magic of the OT. He made an unforgettable impression on most of us, that is why we know he is "the" Master, the real master, not the wrestling master, but a true Jedi Master. That he is sooo powerful is a misunderstanding or a wrong interpretation of his character.

Im sure we all agree that Mike Tyson could beat the crap out of Nelson Mandela(He can barely walk BTW). But is Tysons victory the only definition of power? Or does Mandela actually hold power as well, maybe not in his fists, but perhapse somewhere else

 

Yoda went to go confront Chancellor Palpatine alone, while Mace Windu confronted Palpatine with three other Jedi. Palpatine easily did away with the three other Jedi, while Mace Windu went toe to toe with him and actually defeated him. If it weren't for Anakin, Mace would have finished the job and put an end to the Sith then and there. Yoda uses the Force to push Sidious back across the room and knocks him over his chair and then Sidious tries to flee from Yoda.

If so powerful you are, why leave?- Yoda


Yoda demonstrated his mighty strength in the Force on Geonosis against Dooku and on Coruscant against Sidious/Palpatine.

 

Not sure I get the Yoda / Mace comparison here. I agree about Yoda's power, but I would make these counters to the Mace points... Mace didn't defeat Palpatine, Palpatine was playing along until Anakin arrived. If he had had no reason to wait for Anakin to arrive (in order to have Anakin walk in and see Mace attempting to assasinate him, and thus prove Palpatine right), Palpatine would have just killed Mace right after the other three. By the way, I'm aware of what Lucas' DVD commentary on this point says, but I think the movie shows us something different than what he says.

Oh, and Palpatine wasn't actually kidnapped by Grievous either.

 

The movie shows pretty much what Lucas says, but that's another debate.

Even if you're in the "Sidious threw the fight" camp, however, it's difficult to assess Mace's power. He's in combat once and we only see him defeated when facing Anakin and Sidious at once. Not exactly like losing to a battle droid.

 

The same reason everyone believes Anakin and Luke are powerful...

 

You're not defeated if you still have your Force powers to rely on. But he won the duel.

That assumes it would have been a simple matter for him to do so. Mace is not necessarily that easy to kill.

 

I don't believe Mace won either. It seems kinda unbelievable that Palpatine can kill three jedi masters in seconds but can't beat Mace one-on-one. And Palps pleading for help "Ohhh I'm to weak, don't kill me, please!" sounded completely fake. Like the type of acting you'd hear in a middle school drama performance. And then he says he's too weak to go on but then he's all like "POWAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!! UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNLIIIIIIIMITEEEEEED POWAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and gets up like he's fine and goes and bounces around with Yoda in the senate a little while later. And Palptine is fighting super slow with Mace but when he's fighting Yoda it looks like he's taken if up a notch. Oh and what are the chances Palpatine would be disarmed seconds before Anikan walks in the room? Considering Palptine is able to sense Anikan in danger all the way in Mustufar and is able to see the future, I think it's probable he knew Anikan was coming. And if not, why would he jeopardize the plan the sith have been working on for centuries if he wasn't completely sure he'd come out alive?

I could be wrong, but I just don't think it's likely Mace won legitimately.

 

Those are two separate issues. No one's disputing that Palpatine wasn't completely helpless during the above dialogue, because we all know what happened next. Mace winning the lightsaber battle is another matter.

 

"If so powerful are you, why leave?"

Why was Palps in such a hurry to leave? Their duel ended with both of them falling off that senate pod when Yoda absorbed Palpatine's best Force Lightning attack and shot it back at him! There is also a shot of Palpatine's eyes being worried when Yoda does that. There's two examples of Yoda making Palpatine worried. Dooku hauled ass out of that hanger because he didn't want anymore of Yoda. IMO

 

I think Dooku 'hauled ass' because there were a shiz load of clone troopers arriving at the scene. They got there like just after he left...

 

Only like three or four showed up. The Count could have taken them.

 

Why? Because he was. Perhaps the movies didn't make it clear for some...but that was the idea. He wasn't as powerful as Anakin/Darth, obviously, or he wouldn't have had to wait for Luke and/or Leia to do his dirty work in the end. There was that pesky prophecy, but it was only foretelling the truth of the matter, Yoda wasn't powerful enough to do the job. But in terms of relative power, all Jedi were a step below the Skywalkers. However, one has to keep in mind that was like mega power that no one could attain, not even Sidious or any dark lord before him or any Jedi before or after, unless they had that Skywalker blood (and weren't named Anakin Jr. or Jacen, but I digress). So yeah, Yoda was super powerful in comparison to the many, but just not as powerful as the few.

 

"He wasn't as powerful as Anakin/Darth"

Didn't George Lucas say that when Anakin got put in the suit he was only like 80% as powerful as Yoda?

 

Oh and I just realized I've been spelling "Anakin" wrong for years. How embarrassing.

 

80% as powerful as Sidious

 

Actually, 79.82% before rounding. The "percentages of power" idea and quotes are kind of a funny concept.