Why doesnt Obi Wan take Anakin to see his mother?

i bet Qui Gon would have. Maybe Anakin wouldnt have turned out so evil if he was able to interact with his mother from time to time.

 

I doubt Anakin ever asks. It looks like he always tries his best to be the greatest jedi he can be by not giving into his deepest desire to see his mommy. It's too... un-jedi to go back home and check on your parents. Obi-wan's mom is out there somewhere and he never goes to visit her, so...

well ya see what I'm saying...

 

The Jedi Council saw Anakin's feelings for his mother as a weakness (and a potentially dangerous one at that). They probably wanted to keep him away for fear that his feelings would grow even stronger and lead him towards the dark side. And, being the good Jedi he is, Ben would have followed their wishes.

Besides, Anakin more or less knew that he would never see his mother again when he left Tattooine. And I think Shmi felt the same way.

 

the difference is that Obi Wan never knew his biological parents. he grew up in the Jedi Temple like other little younglings..

but i agree that Obi Wan was a bit pansy when it came to disobeying Jedi Council orders but i find it ironic that his master would have acted with compassion and done the opposite, which was to take Anakin to visit his mother from time to time.

And as far as i can tell, anakin talked to obiwan about his mother and the terrible feelings he had. obiwan just shot them down and told him to concentrate on what was happening around them. just another little push towards the dark side and the hatred of Obi Wan IMO.

 

i find it ironic that his master would have acted with compassion and done the opposite, which was to take Anakin to visit his mother from time to time

How do we know that Qui-Gon would have done that? Defiant Qui-Gon was, but I doubt he would have taken Anakin to visit Shmi. Qui-Gon told Anakin ahead of time that the life of a Jedi is difficult. Part of that difficulty is living the somewhat solitary life of a Jedi.

obiwan just shot them down and told him to concentrate on what was happening around them.

Obi-Wan told him that dreams will pass with time. His tone was one that was trying to be re-assuring, and also indicated (to me, at least) that they have discussed his mother at length. And how to reconcile Anakin's feelings for her.

Given their circumstances, there were more pressing matters to tend to, and for Anakin to focus upon.

And wasn't it Obi-Wan's master who told him (Ben) to focus on the now? Just Obi-Wan passing on what he learned.

On a related topic, I thought these lines of Anakin's were interesting:

To Ben: "I wish I dreamt about [Padme']"
To Padme': "You're just like in my dreams (or something to that effect)."

 

I disagree, i think qui-gon woulda have taken Anakin back to tatooine. If qui-gon had lived, im pretty sure the whole uproar of Panakin would have been the big uproar over Quishmi.

he woulda gone back to Tatooine every now and then w/ Anakin to see Shmi himself. It was pretty obvious in TPM if Qui-Gon had stuck around, there woulda have been a relationship there most likely

 

So what was the extremely dramatic breakup in TPM about if, as some claim, Qui-Gon would've kept the relationship between Anakin and Shmi "intact"?

Anakin told his mother he "would come back to free her", Shmi asked Anakin if he felt "he'd ever see her again", Qui Gon stepped back everytime to allow Shmi/Anakin to savour their final moments - that whole dynamic doesn't really tell me these 2 characters (Anakin/Shmi) would be seeing each other from time to time.

And this all takes place when Obi Wan hadn't even met Anakin.

- O_F

 

I agree with Obi_Frans. The goodbye scene was more moving because you knew, as did all of the principals, that they would never see each other again.

True, Anakin did get to see his mother again, albeit briefly. But that was a case of him disobeying orders. Had he been with Obi-Wan - or any other Jedi Master - he would have never returned.

Tragic, yes, but as Qui-Gon said, the life of a Jedi is a difficult one.

 

Just because the movie breakup was extremely dramatic, doesnt mean that Qui Gonn would never have taken Anakin back to see his mother. From the way his character was portrayed, i dont think he would have forbid anakin from seeing her. maybe discouraged it but not forbid it. the only reason for the dramatic effect of the movie is simply that, drama. If Qui Gonn lived, they could have returned. you never know. its just that Lucas knows where his movies are going and knows that they wont see each other until Shmi's death which is why he made it so dramatic. If you imagine the scene without the music and were it everyday life, it would just be the parting between mother and son. nothing overly dramatic as we saw in the movie.


QuiGonn knew how close Anakin and Shmi were and since he wasnt retarded, he would have known that the breakup would be traumatizing. IMO i think he would have taken Anakin to see his mother once in awhile, if not often. or maybe even free her and bring her to Coruscant? After all, that is what he tried to do in the first place.

and i think thats what Obi Wan missed while being stuck inside the ship on Tatooine during TPM. he missed the closeness between a mother and a son (since he never grew up with one) and thats why he forbid Anakin from going to her and didnt realize how bad it was for Anakin's emotional state

 

were it everyday life, it would just be the parting between mother and son.

Do you really believe this to be true?

There's a reason Qui Gon is seen backing away from multiple Shmi/Anakin scenes after the fact (of Anakins freedom), that is that HE allows them their final moments - Qui Gon KNOWS what's going to come off this, so does Shmi, and it could be argued that even Anakin knew the deal.

After all, that is what he tried to do in the first place.

He tried freeing her, he never once implied that she and Anakin would have any sort of future together. That's, imo, just wishful thinking on Anakins part ("you're coming with us...aren't you?").

I think "Qui Gon's defiance" is taken a little bit out of proportion in this case. He probably would've allowed or even taken Anakin to see Shmi once the dreams started, but there's no way he'd go "visit" Shmi every once in a while just because Anakin was "curious". We see how strict Qui Gon is/can be with Obi Wan.

- O_F

 

I think "Qui Gon's defiance" is taken a little bit out of proportion in this case

Yes. Let's not forget the "defiant" Qui Gon backed off from training Anakin when the Council disallowed him from doing so.

 

There's a reason Qui Gon is seen backing away from multiple Shmi/Anakin scenes after the fact..

i thought it was simply respect on Qui Gonn's part to be several steps away when anakin and shmi say goodbye to each other.

He probably would've allowed or even taken Anakin to see Shmi once the dreams started,

that's what i'm talking about. i dont necasserily mean that Anakin goes to visit his mom every month or even every year. i'm just asking, why couldnt Obi Wan take anakin to see his mother after 10 years of separation? And i think its in part due to the fact that Obi Wan never witnessed the bond between the biological mother and the son and therefore didnt realize how close they were. if he did, would it have changed Galactic history? we'll never know..

 

Anakin made a committment to the Jedi order. Kenobi is just follows protocol as he tells Anakin "we will do exactly as the Council has instructed".

However, if anyone, it has to be the Jedi Council to decide.

 

why couldnt Obi Wan take anakin to see his mother after 10 years of separation?

Well, in the timeperiod of Anakins dreams starting - they simply had jobs to do.

"We will do as the council has instructed"

Kenobi is right in this case, Anakin knows this - had Obi Wan taken Anakin to Tatooine, then would Padme have been assassinated by Zam? Would Zam have ever been caught? etc etc. As far as Kenobi knows, they're just dreams - they "pass in time" as he says it.

Perhaps the reason he cannot understand the strength of Anakins bond with Shmi is due to the fact Kenobi wasn't there to witness it, whatever the case - he seems to have learned from it, because he knows whats happening when the same thing occurs with Luke in Empire.

And even then he doesn't want him to go.

- O_F

 

Don't forget, too, that Anakin's attachment to his mother was also influencing his decision to emotionally involve himself with Padme. Obi Wan surely must have realized this taking care of him for so long and was trying to stomp out a spark before it exploded into an uncontrollable brushfire. It did, anyway, and from what I've seen in the EU, Obi Wan and other Jedi have a bit of a hand in allowing it to, but it's Anakin's fault that it got to the levels that it did in the first place.

If Qui Gon had trained Anakin, the most I could see him doing is attempting to free Shmi at some point to set Anakin's mind at ease *if* it came to a major conflict like in AOTC, but I can't see him allowing them to continue a lifelong relationship. Qui Gon was a maverick, different in his thinking and methodology, but he wasn't a rebel. He seemed to agree with the principle structures of Jedi procedure. In fact, any other little boy, and I'm doubtful as to whether or not Qui Gon would have done as much to save him. He thought Anakin should be accepted as an exception to the rule because he believed Anakin was the Chosen One. This is not to say I think Qui Gon is an awful person - he did save Jar Jar and tried to free Shmi after all, and there was no ulterior motive in that - but I do think Anakin's power was a major influence on Qui Gon's decision to save him.

 

"Besides, Anakin more or less knew that he would never see his mother again when he left Tattooine. And I think Shmi felt the same way. "

They promise each other they would see each other again, where did u get that from?

 

Jar Jar should have gone back to tatooine to help Shmi out. Padme or someone should at least help the mother of the guy who saved their entire planet. They were cool with each other once- Right? What a bunch of heartless goobers to not want to help out a slave who's son saved your whole planet from invaders and did all of it for 'nothing'. Except for some difficult training of course. No wonder Anakin turned. I have FULL sympathy for the poor bastard now.

 

When Anakin says "Will I see you again"

Shimi: "What does your heart say/"

There is a pause,

he says "I don't know... i guess so..."

"Then we WILL see eachother again"


Anakin, with his gift of the force... suspected something...

 

The Jedi is supposed to cut himself from any emotional attachments, and that's why Anakin couldn't be with his mother, I guess.

 

Anakin is sworn as a defender of peace and justice in the galaxy and as a Jedi his life is not his own. The Jedi could have done something about the situation, but it would have been a personal matter of Anakin and to that purpose they wouldn't serve.

Anakin has a duty to the Jedi and the Old Republic and his personal matters with Shmi and Padme are not suppose to have a real place in his life.

 

Anakin, with his gift of the force... suspected something...

Yep. Anakin's heart told him he wouldn't see her again. He was trying to convince himself otherwise.

 

Yes. Let's not forget the "defiant" Qui Gon backed off from training Anakin when the Council disallowed him from doing so. ~openmind

As well, did you notice that Qui-Gon Jinn did n o t bow as he left?

 

Maybe the explanation is the simple one, that the jedi were under the influence of the dark side, their ability to use the force had diminished and so they were "blind," as Yoda put it, to what Darth Sidious was hiding from them. Obi Wan was obviously effected because when hearing the truth about the dark lord of the sith being in control of the senate, it didn't feel right to him.

And Brego makes a good point about attachments being forbidden, the jedi were supposed to be able to release themselves from their habits/comfort zones; they were trusting their gut feelings that were being influenced by the sith instead of using reason or trusting the gut feelings (dreams) of the jedi with more miticholorians than Yoda, who could see the truth.

 

i know that anakin would have thought about his mother during all those years of training...but there is no personal attachments and there is No way that Obi wan talk him to see her...

 

I'm not so sure that Qui would have had Anakin visiting his mother, to a certain point. I would imagine Qui Gon keep tabs on Shmi though, imagine the burden taken off of a teenage Anakins back learning his mother was a free woman, living with those she loved happily. And I do believe Qui Gon would have taken Anakin to see her if he had lived to AOTC, regarding the intensity of his nightmares and the bond Anakin shared with his mother. They were not dreams, but visions and I believe Qui would have caught on to that.