Why doesnt Palpatine just Clone Darth Vader after he has been crippled?

Because Darth Vader was nearly ruined and his potential was wasted, so why not Clone him and create a totally obediant Sith Lord apprentice that would take any orders without question just like the Clone Troopers do?

This way he would live up to his potential and be totally loyal to Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious and never betray him, Palpatine then has Vader killed by his superior Clone when the Clone is ready to replace him, and the clone would be taught dueling and fencing and lightsaber training by the Cloners on Kamino for a few years so that he would be powerfull with a lightsaber as well.

 

easier still...why not just clone him new lungs and appendages? Cloning Vader entirely would have taken years, years that he wouldn't have had an apprentice. If Palpatine cloned appendages for Vader however, he can still have his apprentice while they are growing, and the artificial mechanical limbs are merely temporary. Why wouldn't Palpatine do this???

Because it isn't in his best interests to do so. Sith Lords are betrayed by their apprentices. Palpatine doesn't plan on giving up his position, ever. So, given that he has already destroyed 99% of the Jedi, and Vader is no longer stronger than he is, Palpatine is thinking he is probably the strongest Force user in the galaxy, and intends to keep it that way. He knows Vader will one day betray him...why intentionally increase his odds of succeeding? He could have restored Vader to his full potential, he could have cloned him entirely, and had an untainted clone of Vader to do his bidding...the question is, what possible motivation would he have to do this? He already has the power to control the galaxy, he doesn't need an apprentice twice as strong as he is to maintain it. Perhaps if he hadn't wiped out the Jedi, cloning Vader would have made strategic sense, but without the Jedi as a threat anymore, Vader's diminished power level is already far more than is necessary to help Palpatine control the galaxy. Without the Jedi, who can stand up to Vader as it is? All cloning Vader or replacing his limbs would accomplish is making his apprentice more likely to attempt to kill him sooner, rather than later. It simply isn't in Palpatine's best interests to make his apprentice stronger than he is.

 

They don't do transplants in star wars. Only cybernetics. Just because we can do it in the real world doesn't mean they can do it in the space opera universe.

 

What about the Yuuzhan Vong then?

They remove their own arms and legs and even eyes and replace them with living ones from other creatures, although Darth Vader wouldnt want to have the arms and legs of an alien instead of a human though.

 

Just because in a GFFA they can clone someone super fast doesn't necessarily mean they have the technology to also clone the midichlorians. Darth Vader/ Anakin was the chosen one, Which made him the perfect apprentic for the Emporer because he was technically one of the strongest force users and was destined to destroy the Sith. Not only would replacing Vader with a clone of himself piss him off, but who says cloned pre- Vader would be stronger? I mean Luuke Skywalker was still no match for Mara Jade, and the cloned Emporer was no match for Luke.

and like someone else stated, a cloned Vader would take years. They wouldn't be able to use the growth acceleration stimulant and .'. would be sitting on an egg for about 20 years.

 

The EU firmly establishes that clones of Force users have the Force too, at the same power level as the host they were cloned from. Further, as we know from the prequels, that midichlorians are present in all life, required for life, even...We also know from the films, that Force ability is genetic, that is, it is passed down through family lines, such as the Skywalkers. So, there must be a genetic aspect to it, that carries over from family member to family member.

Therefore the clones of Jango Fett must have had midichlorians in them as well, as they were alive, so it is likely that when you clone someone, the clone retains whatever levels of midichlorians the host has. Had Jango had rudimentary Force ability, so would all of his clones, including Boba.

So, a cloned Anakin would be just as strong as the real Anakin, before injuries. But, while it could be done, that doesn't mean Palpatine would choose to do so, as it would increase his chances of dying earlier than he expected.

While we don't see cloned appendages in Star Wars films, but that doesn't mean it isn't done.

 

Well, given that Sith do train from birth...he wouldn't have had a useable apprentice for 14 years or so. And yes, you can clone midichlorians; the Insider short stories about the Sai Cuiss clones prove this, even if Dark Empire and the Thrawn Trilogy hadn't already.

Anyway, Death Star explains all the questions about why Vader never had cloned appendages. 1) he's in the .00001% of the population who csan't accept cloned organs for whatever reason and 2) he can't be removed from the suit without dying.

 

Actually, he can remove his helmet in oxygen saturated environments like those found aboard the Executor during TESB. He can also survive for short periods of time in normal environments as in RotJ. Thus, there are avenues for obtaining a proper sample of Vader's DNA for cloning.

This leaves the only viable explanation as Vader being "unclonable" for whatever reason. His son might have been clonable (Luuke) but he, for whatever reasons, was not.

 

Was it that he couldn't be cloned at all, or that his body would reject cloned appendages?

 

Perhaps both.

 

What are the Sai Cuiss?

 

Becasue it would ruin the story

 

If they did clone vader and if the real vader found out and saw the clone he would be angry.

Imagine Vader seeing himself as he was before his accident. The anger and hatred alone that he would feel would be enough for him to defeat a (less experienced) clone of himself even in his weakened state.

 

Taking off his helmet/being removed from the suit entirely are two seperate things. The suit isn't just his helmet; it's the only thing keeping his lungs functioning properly.

And he's not unclonable; it's just his body would reject cloned organs for whatever reason.

 

Theres that too. You just watch TPM-ROTS only to see that because Anakin got a little burned up and lost a few limbs, they're going to clone him instead. Then we'd have to watch clone Anakin turn to the darkside. Not fun.

 

Cloning seems like it would undermine all the emotional turmoil that the real Anakin had to undergo to give him strength and make him into what he was. Cloning would provide the same biological husk, but not the broken spirit that made Anakin into Vader. And you'd have to wait for it to grow up...

And with the whole nature/nurture aspect that can affect one's psychological (and biological) development, it was highly unlikely that a perfect replacement for Vader could be made.

 

It does make you wonder about Dark Empire more though...what sense does it make for Palpatine to keep cloning himself, when he could have made clones of Anakin, and transferred his essence into that? Anakin's clone would have been twice as powerful as the Palpatine cloned bodies were. We know whose body doesn't matter, as Palpatine was trying to transfer his essence into unborn Anakin Solo, so its not like he would need a clone of his own body to do it. In this case, having Anakin Skywalker's tissue samples would have come in extremely handy for Palpatine...Clone Vader, inhabit his body. Become twice as strong. Seems like a relative no-brainer.

 

Well, the EU has to work around what Lucas provides, and in Lucas' mind the Emperor was never cloned (there is an interview where he says this). When the films are being made, nothing is mentioned in the films to suggest that the Emperor can transport his consciousness into a new body, because in Lucas' universe such a feat is impossible. Because of the stark contrasts of what is possible in Lucas' imagination vs. what is possible in the imaginations of the various EU writers, certain things (this being one of them) aren't going to fit nicely across the EU-film barrier.

 

Vader is more to Sidious' liking in the suit I believe. He is easily controlled since he would be such an easy target of Force Lightning or even Sidious shutting off his breathing apparatus with the Force.

I always think of Vader as Sidious' trophy. He's destroyed the Order and has subdued it's "Chosen One" to his will. He's still powerful enough to defeat any Jedi left after Order 66 (with the exception of Yoda) but is too weak to go after the Emperor.

Sidious simply believes in the old saying "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

 

Sidious was looking forward to having an apprentice that would exceed him in power; hence he tells Yoda, "soon Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us!"

There is the issue of self-preservation though, as you've implied. I don't think Sidious had any plans of being killed by Vader, so I don't know how he intended to keep Vader under control had Vader not been injured.

 

Let's assume, for the sake of exploring this excellent question, that the EU accounts of midi-chlorian cloning are accurate and correct.

With that in mind, the Emperor might have taken a sample of Anakin's tissue -- say, during the fitting of his cyber-suit at the end of ROTS -- and used it to clone a new Anakin Skywalker.

Using the growth acceleration and docility engineering that the Kaminoans employed, Palpatine could have had a ROTS-age Anakin by -10BY (10 years before the Battle of Yavin) that was totally obedient and as fully Force-powered as the real, pre-suit Anakin.

But... would this cloned Anakin have been disposed toward turning to the Dark Side? How could the Emperor ensure that Clone Anakin would have developed into the angry, fearful, power-hungry personage whom Palpatine so masterfully seduced into becoming a Sith?

If one element of his plan turned out badly, or went against the Emperor's intentions, Clone Anakin might have refused to turn, as Luke did in ROTJ. Rather than having a bad*** servant to fulfill his wishes and help him bring order to the Galaxy, Palpatine would have been saddled with a super-powerful Jedi that could undo everything he had spent so many years planning and seeing come to fruition.

So, I think the answer to the question is that the Emperor could have cloned Anakin, but foreseeing what might happen as a result, he chose not to.

 

Luuuuuke and Joruuuuss still were perfectly strong in the force.

Look, no matter what, it doesn't make sense. There was no reason Anakin couldn't clone his part. hey make whole armies of millions of men that are flawless, so that is all swill. Bob is 129 years old and can still kick butt and he's a clone. It's just bad story telling in one way, but more like all that clone stuff was just a fantasy in 1975.

 

This doesn't indicate bad storytelling on George's part so much as it does on the people who carelessly step outside the established bounds of the universe they are writing. Some of these people should stick to pseudo-military science fiction and stay away from Star Wars.

 

It begs the question:

If Vader, in pristine organic form, is stronger than the Emperor...

But the Emperor is also paranoid that Vader might want to kill him to become the leader...

Wouldn't the Emperor want to keep Vader down? In other words, wouldn't he prefer a weaker, less effectual Vader? One who is stronger than any normal commander and able to dispatch Jedi but still disabled enough to remain as the Emperor's tool?

This doesn't, of course, answer the question of why Vader didn't just go fix himself up with a new body.