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Why Hide Luke and yet Leia is a Senator on Coruscant ?!?!?!

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by episodenone, Oct 4, 2004.

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  1. episodenone

    episodenone Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    they go through so much trouble to hide luke on a backwater planet [where vader was ultimately born - d'uh] but some how Leia is a Senator !??!?!

    She is on Coruscant where the Emperor probably is a frequent visitor - and I imagine Vader as well.

    Isn't that kinda risky that she'll be discovered?
    Which may not immediately lead to Luke's discovery - but will alert Palps and Vader that Anakin had at least one child - and depending on what happens in EpIII - open up a galactic search for any other offspring?

    or can it just be explained that GL didnt think he would get that far in the OT for it to matter?
     
  2. WhiskeyGold

    WhiskeyGold Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It seems even Obi-wan doesn't know of Liea. My take, or guess, is that even Anakin doesn't know of Liea until he feels from Luke. No one but maybe Padme and Yoda knew of her.
    So she wasn't really "hide" like Luke. However Luke wasn't hidden good.
    Same last name, Skywalker
    Same planet that his dad lived on
    rised at home of his step father

    its almost like they wanted Vader to come for him.
     
  3. MoldyBread

    MoldyBread Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Or there's the theory that Vader would never set foot on Tatooine again, because of the memories. Or something.
     
  4. Jomero

    Jomero Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Best place to hide a letter is on the mantlepiece.
     
  5. WhiskeyGold

    WhiskeyGold Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    If if Vader wouldn't return to his homeworld, that wouldn't stop the Emperor.

    Is Leia a Senator on Coruscant
     
  6. DarthyMarkyMark

    DarthyMarkyMark Jedi Padawan star 4

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    My guess is that Obi-Wan does know about Leia - I think he knows about both twins, but I think Anakin doesn't know it's twins. I'm guessing Anakin knows Padme is pregnant, but only with one child.

    There seems to be an interesting theme of Luke being more connected to Anakin, and Leia being more connected to Padme - I might be mistaken, but when Leia talks about Padme in RotJ, the Force theme plays, which is interesting. I think that, when Anakin became Darth Vader, all the love, compassion and connection he had with his children died along with Anakin - that's why he never senses his children, until the moment he finds out that his son is still alive - that's when Anakin's spirit is first rekindled, when he knows his son is alive. As for simply sensing strength in the Force, I think that you can't simply SENSE how strong someone is, unless they're actually using the Force - when Vader senses that Luke is strong in the Force in ANH, it's in the Death Star trench, when Luke is using the Force (Ben says "use the Force, Luke" moments before). There's no reason why Vader or Palpatine should sense that Leia is Anakin's daughter, or that she is strong in the Force. Remember also that Qui-Gon suspected Anakin's Force-strength by stories of his racing ability; Yoda sensed Dooku was using the Dark Side ONLY after he'd seen Dooku use the Force. My guess also is that the reason they do not realise Palpatine is a Sith in TPM and AotC is that he's simply not using the Dark Side whenever he's near them.

    EDIT: As for hiding Luke on Tatooine, I'm convinced that Vader would never, ever return to Tatooine again - it would remind him of his life as Anakin Skywalker, the life he is trying to destroy forever. And Luke keeping his last name ... remember, Luke is VERY isolated. The way he speaks in ANH, he's probably never been as far as Mos Eisley, even. I'm guesing he's only ever been to the homestead and Anchorhead, and that's it. Had he gone to Mos Espa, I'm sure people would recognise the name, but I believe Obi-Wan purposely told Owen and Beru not to let Luke stray too far.
     
  7. SkottASkywalker

    SkottASkywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Why Hide Luke and yet Leia is a Senator on Coruscant ?!?!?!

    Because, Luke couldn't be a Princess and if they tried to pass him off as one, the Empire would have figured out something's up. 8-}
     
  8. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's very true, also Luke isn't a girl's name so Leia would've been outed once the Empire discovered she destroyed the Death Star.
     
  9. Moleman1138

    Moleman1138 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The twins debate still baffles me. Why isn't Leia on Tatooine and Luke on Alderaan? Why was Luke trained and Leia the backup???

    Leia is probably less force sensitive. I will not use any EU references. Why couldn't Vader sense Leia when they had her in ANH custody? However, how does Leia always know that Luke's her brother? It's simple, it's gender issues.

    Luke got Anakins dominant genes and Padme's recessive genes. He is more vulnerable and can sense more. Leia got Padme's dominant genes and Anakin's recessive genes.

    Luke comes to grip the Vader is his father, but can't remember his mother. Leia "remembers" her mother but doesn't sense that Vader is her father until Luke tells her.

    The four major characters have the force. males have a greater intensity than the females in the Skywalker clan.
     
  10. Jedi of the West

    Jedi of the West Jedi Padawan star 4

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    First off the best place to hide something is in plain sight. Leia doesn't know that she has the Force, so she never uses it openly. Darth Vader wasn't aware that he had any children, so he isn't looking. Why they didn't give Luke another name is an interesting question. Hopefully we will find out why in the Revenge of the Sith. My guess for hiding Luke is they wanted him to learn the ways of the Force.
     
  11. chiss_man

    chiss_man Jedi Master star 6

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    Leia is probably less force sensitive. I will not use any EU references. Why couldn't Vader sense Leia when they had her in ANH custody? However, how does Leia always know that Luke's her brother? It's simple, it's gender issues.

    I read a book on Vader that came out with a figure a few years ago that said he was surprised how strong her mental resistance to the probes, but he attributed that to royal Alderaaian training. Also, he says in ANH "Her resistance to the mindprobe is considerable" so he does sense SOMETHING, but figures it to be standard Alderran royality training.
     
  12. Siths_Revenge

    Siths_Revenge Jedi Youngling star 7

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    Leia was the secret. Vader and Obi-Wan didn't even realise that she was a Force user. Vader didn't find out until Luke unwittingly told him, and Obi-Wan didn't realise it until Yoda told him.
     
  13. RogueScribner

    RogueScribner Jedi Master star 4

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    Was Kenobi using the Force when Vader sensed him? I don't think so. Not unless there's a Force Hide power. :p

    So whether someone is using the Force is irrelevant. I say any Force user can sense another. That is, one person attuned to the Force can sense another person attuned to the Force. They don't actually have to use it to make it known. This allows for the fact that Vader never sensed Luke or Leia, unless they consciously used the Force.

    L8r
     
  14. sabo-wan

    sabo-wan Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Another theory is that Anakin/Vader knew that Padme was pregnant, but he had no idea that she was going to have twins. My theory is that at the end of ROTS, Vader will think his child died along with Padme, not knowing that not only had his child been born, but that he had TWO children.

    Luke is hidden on Tatooine, a place that Vader will never return to because it has so much significance for his alter ego, it would undoubtedly bring back memories for him, despite his contention that Anakin "no longer has any meaning" for him. It's obvious in the OT that he doesn't want to confront the fact that he was once Anakin Skywalker, so going back to his boyhood home would be too much for him - thus, the son he knew he was to have, but thought was killed is hidden there.

    Leia, on the other hand, was hidden with Bail on Alderaan. Vader most likely had NO IDEA that he even was to have another child, so the thought never even crosses his mind that Leia could possibly be his child. In ROTJ, it seems quite a shock to Vader to learn that Luke had a twin sister, so it seems appropriate that he was not aware Padme was pregnant with twins. One can assume that if he knew this, after he found out that Luke was alive (from the news that the pilot's name was Skywalker and him feeling that the Force was strong with him during the Battle of Yavin) he would have also started searching for the other twin as well.

    Well, that's my theory. I guess we'll see in ROTS if this plays out or not.
     
  15. DarthyMarkyMark

    DarthyMarkyMark Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Was Kenobi using the Force when Vader sensed him? I don't think so. Not unless there's a Force Hide power.

    No, but in RotS, Vader had probably already turned to the Dark Side when coming into contact with Obi-Wan - hence The Duel. Anakin had already died by that point. That's why Vader is able to sense him.
     
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