Why is Dooku so surprised?

I'm new around these parts (only been around a few weeks) and one of the prevalent theories I've heard about the Sifo Dias mystery is that it was Dooku who ordered the clone army and was behind all of it. And yet, during the battle on Geonosis, he says in reference to the clone army, "Where did they get them? That doesn't seem possible. How did the Jedi come up with an army so quickly?" He seems genuinely baffled and isn't in the presence of anyone he would need to hide his reactions from, so I take it at face-value.

So, why would he be confused about it?

 

Dooku's not confused; he knows exactly what's going on. He was only feeding the Confederates a BS story.

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Agree. The whole separatits movement was a plan that was ment go give Palpatine more authorities as a chanselor. He needs an army that is loyal to him, not his appretnices 'allies'. They will serve as cannon fodder for Palpatine to becomce Emperor

 

dooku is shocked, you are correct, but so are the other two posters.

dooku probably realy wanted to say something like "what the hell is that army doing here with them now? it wasn't supposed to be used till after we attack the republic"

of course he can't say that, he has to feed the seperatists dissinformation even then.

dooku has no way of knowing yoda went to 'investigate' the army and made the spur of the minute decission to bring them to geonosis to save the jedi.

that decission ultimately is the wrong one because it is at that moment the jedi start the clone war, in an attempt to preempt the same war.

rather sad actualy, especialy for dooku who does not realise that this plays even more into sidious hands than what was probably the original plan:

to have the seperatists attack the republic first and then bring in the army on the side of the republic.

 

At first, I mistook that stating too to be some clue that he DIDN'T know what was going on. Later on though I figured he was playing dumb to fool the Separtists...

 

Also remember that Jango is working for Dooku personaly, and not the Confederacy. I am sure Dooku would have told Dooku, aside the presence from others that the Jedi, praticularly the one that is in shackles knows of the clone army, and knows that Sifo Dyas ordered them.

 

Nerdly is correct!

 

Dooku's not confused; he knows exactly what's going on. He was only feeding the Confederates a BS story.

Exactly. The Clone War was all part of the plan. Thus the line "I bring good news, Master. War has begun."

 

The Clone War was all part of the plan. Thus the line "I bring good news, Master. War has begun."

indeed, still i was left with the impression that things were going even better than they had planned.

hehe, yoda bringing the clones to attack geonosis is almost like an early christmas present to sidious.

even more than he could have hoped for.

 

hehe, yoda bringing the clones to attack geonosis is almost like an early christmas present to sidious

You really don't like Yoda, do you? But you're right. Dooku didn't expect the attack so soon. Otherwise, he would have made better arrangements to escape for himself. But that's the strength of Dooku and Sidious: their ability to improvise, no matter what the given situation.

 

You really don't like Yoda, do you?

oh my did i give that impression?

well that's not true, he's my second favorite all time SW character.

wise, powerful, anchient, and an enigma, yoda has it all.

but the yoda of the PT is not the yoda of the OT, and i am very very interested in how he changes into that yoda.

i am probably the founding member of the anti-YiGC* on these boards though.

i love yoda too much to put him on a pediastal like they do.

i think he's sooooooo much more interesting to take down, examine and play with so to speak.

*YiGC means Yoda is God Crowd. an accronym i use to describe people who think yoda is the be all end all of starwars and totaly worthy of worship without any analysis or any possibility of flaws.

imo it is the flaws that make he and every other great character so interesting.

just for the record dooku is probably my favorite character, an even bigger enigma, followed by everyone in the OT at pretty close to a tie.

 

Dooku may have never seen the army before.

"We were begining to think you wernt coming"

 

i'd bet he never saw the army or kamino again after the order was placed.

it's not liek he's got to drive jengo to the place

 

He's faking it. He's not surprised. He's just pretending to be surprised in front of the Separtists.

 

dooku probably realy wanted to say something like "what the hell is that army doing here with them now? it wasn't supposed to be used till after we attack the republic"

Okay, this makes the most sense to me and actually (if true) adds a real layer of subtlety to Christopher Lee's performance. I hadn't even considered the fact that the appearance of the clones would be a surprise to him at that time despite knowing of their existence.

I understood that Dooku was in on the plot to start the Clone Wars (as evidenced by the final scene) but I still couldn't understand why Dooku would feign surprise at a moment when he was surrounded by people who would get nothing out of seeing him surprised.

 

well i love chris lee in almost every role he's ever had, much like peter cushing did to tarken he can bring a remarkable depth to a character just in the way he says things.

in particular his line "my master will never let the republic get away with this treachery, gives away his almost outrageous anger.

he is shocked and suprised, but not that the army exists.

it's just he has absolutely no way of knowing that yoda is bringing them then.

even if jengo told him that obi-wan discovered them, a logical assumption, it's quite a leap to expect the jedi to bring in an army that he probably doesn't know has been formaly authorised by the republic.

that's my 2 cents, and i know it's not eu or book related just from what's on film.

i did read the book but before i saw the movie and i can't remember a thing about the book at this point.

 

Dookus surprise is genuine through Lee's performance. If he was faking it he would have been directed to do something to indicate that. Lucas isnt big on directing but if Dooku is supposed to be playing dumb, Lucas would want that to come thruogh in Dookus lines, expressions, gestures, whatever.

 

Malikail, great stuff man, and I completely agree, your idea fits his reaction well! Esspecially because he uses the words 'so quickly'.. Here, I believe, he reveals his secret plans.

..Already Sidious is outmanouvering Tyranus...

I love it when I see things in a new, greater light!
Thanks

 

I belevie that the first plan was that the Clone Army and the Sepertist were to be allies aganist the Jedi. But when the Jedi found out about the Clone Army, the Clones pretened to be on the Jedis side because Plapatine was just playing Hardball.

 

I actually like Malikali's theory. Sounds fairly sound and interesting. But, and this is to Neobaggins, Dooku was faking some of his surprise. Lucas may have Obi-wan act obviously surprised on Kamino as he tries to seem smooth, but Dooku as the clever, treacherous villain need to show no such thing. Dooku's, for the most part, just putting on an act.

 

black_saber, if we pur aside everything else you are wrong.The kaminoans who have no idea about what is really going on have trained the clones to be ''an army for the Republic'' as instructed by the mysterious figure known only as Syfo-Dias (we do not really know the gender of Dias, correct me if I'm wrong please).

The Republic needs an army RIGHT NOW and they suddently find one. Why clones? Because they are ''far superior than any droid army'',any army that the seperatists may have, conveniately enough. An army controled by Sidius.

I will stop trying to figure out Dooku. I might as well build a hyperdrive with toothpicks.Sounds easier.

 

we do not really know the gender of Dias, correct me if I'm wrong please

well obi-wan refers to him as a 'he', but obi-wan also gives the impression he never met syfo, only heard about him.

 

Yeah, isn't it a bit vague?There is a sizable possibility that Dias is a girl.(somehow I made that sound stupid)