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Why is Kamino erased?

Discussion in 'Archive: Attack of the Clones' started by swiss_jedi, Sep 20, 2003.

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  1. swiss_jedi

    swiss_jedi Jedi Youngling

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    This has been bugging me for awhile now. If Palpatine's plan was to use the clones to fight the separatists, he would want them to be known, right? Then why does he have the records of Kamino erased? Did he know that someone would eventually stumble upon it? Besides which, Jango Fett tries pretty hard to prevent Obi-Wan from finding anything out (killing Zam).
     
  2. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    To make it look like there's something to hide. This way, the Jedi don't think that the army was meant to be found, which might imply that they were being set up. Also, it keeps the Jedi from accidentally stumbling across it prematurely.

    I personally think Palpatine meant to have Obi-Wan get to Kamino. That's why Jango used a weapon easily recognizable as being from there, as opposed to something more anonymous, like a blaster bolt.
     
  3. arrowheadpodracer

    arrowheadpodracer Jedi Master star 5

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    IMO, he hid it as long as he had to (until the clones would be ready) then plopped the info in their laps.

    "It is *I* who allowed the alliance to learn ...."
     
  4. TheFallen

    TheFallen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Personally, AOTC has the most warped plotline of the entire series.



    tf
     
  5. MasterP

    MasterP Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    the reason it was araised was so that none of the Jedi Knights would ever find the planet and stop the clones. And when OB1 did, it was too late.
     
  6. Ret

    Ret Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    "This has been bugging me for awhile now. If Palpatine's plan was to use the clones to fight the separatists, he would want them to be known, right? "

    Right and they did get known. Things were engineered so Obi-Wan would find out.
     
  7. I-poodoo

    I-poodoo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Let's look over the info we learn in AotC.

    Jedi Master Sifo Dyas placed a large order for the Kaminoans to clone a grand army for the Republic.

    Sifo Dyas died right about ten years ago.

    Mace says that the council had no knowledge of Sifo Dyas' order to the Kaminoans for the clones.

    Kamino is not in the Jedi archives.

    Kamino has been erased from the Archive's memory banks.

    Only a jedi had enough access to erase kamino from the archives.

    The greatest opponent, Senator Amidala, of the utilization of that army by the Republic is targeted for assasination by Zam Wessel.

    Zam Wessel is hired by Jango Fett.

    Jango Fett works for a man named Tyrrannus.

    Tyrrannus is the new apprentice of Darth Sidious.

    Tyrranus hired Jango Fett to be the source donor for the clones

    Count Dooku left the order right about ten years ago for supposedly political reasons.

    Dooku turns out to be the leader of the CIS the enemy of the Republic and their new clone army.

    Dooku turns out to be part of the darkside.

    Tyrannus and Dooku are the same person.

    the clone war is all part of Sidious' great plan.

    It's a great web of only peices of the puzzle found not the spider lurking at the center of the web. Presumably will see that in Ep III.
    As to why Kamino was specifically erased...I think it was to keep the Jedi from finding out before the war was ready. Also i think they were told a jedi placed the order for the army to focus their attention away from the real person who placed the order.
    This is a mystery..a mystery that is not solved at the end of the movie, but hopefully at the end of the next one. Until then just sit back and enjoy the clues and red herrings.
     
  8. NiktosRule

    NiktosRule Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think Arrowheadpodracer nailed it.

    Palpy knew what he was doing. He is a genius afterall.
     
  9. MetalGoldKnight

    MetalGoldKnight Jedi Youngling star 4

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    "Personally, AOTC has the most warped plotline of the entire series."

    That's why I like it.
     
  10. WMCoolmon

    WMCoolmon Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Because a planet that should be there but isn't there is much more suspicious than a planet that should be there and is there.
     
  11. Mertroid

    Mertroid Jedi Knight star 5

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    Their plan needed to be hidden from everyone so it could be made the army
     
  12. Master Chbel

    Master Chbel Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Another reason is so that no one would *stumble* across the place and investigate it until the right time.

    And I really like the idea that it makes the place more suspicious--and thus when discovered, more likely to be investigated.

     
  13. Guinastasia

    Guinastasia Force Ghost star 6

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    Simple-Palpatine is the ultimate Machiavellian. He likes playing games within games.

     
  14. Lukecash

    Lukecash Jedi Master star 4

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    The only thing is this.

    The Jedi do NOT know that Tyranus and Dooku are the sampe person. And they do NOT know that Tyranus and Sidious are working together.

    The only thing they do know is this. Dooku has become a dark jedi...but not neccisarily a Sith lord.



     
  15. AudioProject

    AudioProject Jedi Master

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    It was in ep2 said that the senate would never approve the use of clones. Even a supreme chancellor could only authorize the use of the clone army if given emergency powers. Remember, at the time the clones were ordered Palpatine was still only a senator AND the seperatist movement hadnt even started yet, so there was no need for an army, as there wasnt a threat of war. Therefore NOT keeping it a secret woulda definitely brought him under suspicion of the jedi (why do u ned an army in time of peace?) and maybe blew his chance to work his way to to supreme chancellor.
     
  16. ppal1235

    ppal1235 Jedi Youngling

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    Read this carefully!!!!! The clone army was ordered around the time of TPM. Sideous was thwarted at Naboo around that time. It was around that time that Dooku left the jedi order and dissappeared. What the Sith's ultimate plan was to launch a full scale galactic civil war aka clone war with the purpose of weakening the republic and destroying the jedi. Dooku aka Darth Tyrannus uses dark side force powers to manipulate weak minded idiots to follow his cause thus creating the separatist movement. Meanwhile Palpatine aka Darth Sideous does the same thing on the republic side. By the time AOTC begins the senate is already debating the issue of creating an army for the republic. Senator Amidala is leading the opposition of this army. This is the reason why Sideous wants her eliminated he cannot control her and she can defeat him. This may be the reason why he orders her off world in AOTC.

    The Jedi were never intended to purposly discover the whereabouts of Kamino. This is why the files were altered (probably by Count Dooku) before he left the Jedi. The plan was for the Senate to pass the security measure and the army would be there at the disposal of the republic. Perhaps the plan was the separatists would lauch a surprise attack and the army would be right there to rescue the republic all at the hands of the Sith. As it so happened however, Obi-wan did discover Kamino via Dexter Jettster and Yoda thus discovering the clone army and uncovering the separatist plot. The Senate minus Amidala votes to give Palpatine emergency powers which he uses to approve the use of the newly discovered army and thus the clone war begines.
     
  17. ppal1235

    ppal1235 Jedi Youngling

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    Also the theory behind Jango using a kamino saber dart has no merit because the analysis droids could not pin point what it is or where it came from. Had it not been for Dexter Jettster the plan would have been fool proof and the Jedi never would have discovered the clone army before the separatists attacked. But with Amidala out of the way the Senate would not have any problem passing the security measure.
     
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