WHY NO MENTION OF QUI-GON IN THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY?

Since Obi-Wan was trained by Qui-Gon and taught him to be the great Jedi that he is, you would think he would have had some mention of him instead of Obi-Wan saying ..."Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me."

 

Number 1. There are tons of threads that take about this. Number 2.He was probably made up for the PT alone...Bad planning on Lucas's part? It would have been a much better and interesting movie if Yoda had been in Qui-Gons place.

Number 3. You could look at it as Yoda trains all the younglings, thus he trained Obi at one point. Seems out of place though in ESB when Yoda says Luke is too old to begin the training. Ben replies thats what you said about me...or soemthing along those lines. So there goes that theory. Oh well, GL isn't perfect.

 

Consider this, did anybody in the OT even ask about Qui-Gon?
Obi-Wan only mentions that he was headstrong like Luke when Yoda was training him. It's not just simply a case of "making him up" for the PT, it's filling in the empty spaces in OT.

 

There is no mention of him I think because maybe Qui Gon was not really created until the PT.

 

Where would they mention him? There's no where that it would fit.
It isn't needed, that's why.

The same reason they don't mention Gungans or Naboo. No one in the OT cares.

 

it seems like Qui-Gon belongs as one of the "force ghosts" in ROTJ if he created it, but yeah, I think his role was created for PM.

 

I think GL can get away with him not being in the OT by way of the fact that the OT is mostly about Luke and Qui-Gonn was dead and gone before Luke was even born. Obiwan, Yoda and Vader all had contact with Luke in his life, so they were the three force ghosts who appeared at the end. It's a stretch I know and it would've been better if he was tied in, but I think it's just OK the way it is ... just.

 

I don't think he existed as Qui-gon. From what I understand for the prequel, GL took a part of what was the original backstory for Obi-wan's character and created Qui-gon, who could serve as a master for Obi-wan to show the master-padawan relationships of the Old Jedi Order.

In fact, entire PT is nothing more than the backstory for the Original trilogy characters, which Lucas has stated many times. For every character in the OT, he wrote a few things about the character's "past" that would help him get a feel for what the individual was supposed to be about.

Originally, Obi-wan was the wise, old wizard; there was no Yoda, no nothing. But, because George killed Obi-wan off in ANH, he had to write in another wizard, who turned out to be Yoda. Qui-gon is another "wise master" branch off that was created just for the prequel.

 

definitely made up for the PT (as was most everybody), GL probably never gave him though until roundabouts '97. i wish GL had planned out the whole series from the beginning, would've been nice...but then again, the OT wouldn't have turned out like it did

 

the Jedi Master that INSTRUCTED HIM on what to do with the twins, NOT teach him the ways of the force and become a jedi

 

Where would they mention him? There's no where that it would fit.
There are several places it could fit, just as well as things that are in the OT for little to no reason.

Don't muck around about it, Qui-Gon didn't exist during the period the OT was created. That's why he's not mentioned. The disturbences it creates in the story are VERY minor since Yoda was a mentor to many of the Jedi.

For me the oddest thing is that apparently Ben was in contact with Qui-Gons force ghost all the while he was on Tatooine, then stops talking to him when Luke shows up Not that it matters that much though.

 

I have no real complaint about the OT not mentioning Qui-Gon. My real complaint is why not add Qui-Gon to the group of glowies at the end of ROTJ?

Young Anakin was added, and I would love to see Qui-Gon added as well, I mean he found out HOW to become a glowie to begin with.

 

"Old friends, long gone..."

 

What I don't get:
The PT was made to flesh out the story of the OT, right?
So why do some of you want the OT changed now to flesh out the PT?
I thought this kind of *stuff* was reserved for the EU crowd. We definitely do not need PT characters designed as background inserted into the OT, ever!

 

My real complaint is why not add Qui-Gon to the group of glowies at the end of ROTJ?


Because, Luke doesn't know him. It would make even less sense than the young Anakin does.

As it is now, Luke it thinking "hey look, it's Ben, Yoda, and... some wierd guy. Who the heck is that?"

 

"The same reason they don't mention Gungans or Naboo. No one in the OT cares."


In ROTJ SE, one of the planets celebrating at the end was Naboo. AND there were Gungans there.
Special Edition you know.

 

The PT was made to flesh out the story of the OT, right?
So why do some of you want the OT changed now to flesh out the PT?

Well (a) Lucas is the one changing the OT to fit the PT, and (b) because the PT and OT in their original forms don't fit accurately enough. The story of SW changed during the years between trilogies.

 

Well (a) Lucas is the one changing the OT to fit the PT, and (b) because the PT and OT in their original forms don't fit accurately enough. The story of SW changed during the years between trilogies.

Obviously Lucas has tweaked the OT to fit the PT, but it's because he's crazy, not because "their original forms don't fit accurately enough." To me they fit fine.

If you watch TOP GUN and start the movie 10 minutes after Goose dies, you won't hear his name. Plot hole?

In "it's a Wonderful Life" after George Bailey's Dad's funeral...no mention of him for the rest of the film.

 

i would like to point out sumthin.... qui-gon is not gone after TPM. He was like a force ghost and he was the one who taught yoda and obi-wan on how to retain one's identity after death...heck, yoda even became jinn's apprentice.

the reason why qui-gon was not introduced in the OT was because GL haven't even thought of such a character yet...

 

it's true. Qui-gon simply didn't exist. Also, qui-gon played no important role in the movie. I'm sure that there were MANY jedi that took part in the training of obiwan, anakin, and yoda. SHould we show all them too?

 

"it's true. Qui-gon simply didn't exist. Also, qui-gon played no important role in the movie."

well qui-gon actually was a major character in the series... like i said, he was the one to teach yoda and obi-wan the secret to becoming a force ghost...

 

I emant in the OT. but, qui-gon wasnt around when they were force ghosts origanally, but...... anywho, i fel he just wasnt important. Maybe it's just me, but as had been said before, he jsut didn't need to be mentioned in the Ot.... assuming he existed before that time, of course.

 

In the original draft of TPM, I believe that it was in fact Obi-wan who had the Qui-gon role in EP1, however when Lucas decided that he wanted Obi-wan to be younger and more of a padawan learner, he created Qui-gon Jinn. Originally, Obi-wan was the one who discovered Anakin and decided to take him on as his padawan learner after his padawan was killed in battle.