Why not let the separatists, well separate?

As the topic says, why not let the separatists go their own way if they weren't happy with being members of the republic?

I find the attitude particularly of the Jedi pretty arrogant. These dudes didn't want to be part of the Republic club yet the Jedi (and the loyalist commitee of which Amidala was a member) inisted that they stay.

It even went as far as starting a war supported by the Jedi to force them to stay in the republic.

Talk about gang bullying tactics.

How does this compare to what Yoda says in TESB about how a Jedi should use the force.

"A Jedi should use the force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack."

What do you guys think?

 

Because letting the Separatists separate would create anarchy.

 

It was all part of Palpatine's plan to create a war. In order for the Republic to be in a war, they need to have enemies. By having Dooku to become a political "enemy" (and get lot's of followers), Palpatine can get his war, and a reason to destroy the Jedi.

 

"I will not let this republic, which has stood for a thousand years, be split in two."

Palpatine (in the eyes of the Jedi and the Senate) doesn't want the Republic to be torn apart after surviving for so long, and as Bib says, it would set a bad precedent if anyone could just up and leave the Republic if they didn't like it. Of course, his actual motive is to start a war to gain him power.

 

I thought they did let the Seperatists "seperate". Remember, at the start of the film, they were only threatening to secede, and Palpatine was "trying" to deal with it through negotiations.

The problem was when they discovered that the Seperatists were going to come back with a huge droid army to overwhelm the Jedi and force the Republic to give in to their demands.

Hence the need for a clone army "to counter the increasing threat of the Seperatists."

 

What were the separatists so pissed about anyway? They really didn't explain that much....of course the real reason they were pissed was because Palps was manipulating them.

 

Yeah, what Scott said.

Maybe letting the separatists separate
isn't such a good idea because then
there's no story.

 

The problem was, if the Republic let them go, it might cause other systems to separate.

Also it would show how weak the Republic is. If the Republic couldn't keep a bunch of systems in the Republic, then it's not a government worth following, is it?

 

Traditionally, separatists movements are frowned upon--see the US Civil War, and Nigeria, for instance.

It has a lot to do with the US Nullification crisis. Basically, you can't enjoy all the benefits without having ot make any of the sacrifices.

That is to say, if they seceded, many would be worlds that might not have been colonized if it wasn't for the Republic, who also provided infrastructure, trade, protection, etc that allowed them to progress to that point. In the case of the Trade Federation, the Republic is actually responsible for making it as powerful as it is today. For all these benefits, they have to follow the laws. The Separatists (apparently) basically proposed seceeding to dodge around some of the stricter trade laws, and yet they still wanted all the benefits of the Republic.

Would you let someoen use you like that?

Given, there are more complex and justifiable reasons for secession, but this is the basic scenario presented in AOTC.

 

Cause seperatist turn into rebels. Rebels blow up death stars and kill thousands of imperials over endor in the future. Palpy/sidious sinced it, and doesn't like it.

 

Why didn't Lincoln just let the Confederate States go?

 

See above. Also, (although I need to check) I believe they fired first. Blockaded and then attacked a fort that was in one of the states that seceded.

 

They did allow them to seperate, until Obi-Wan revealed they were massing an army and planning a direct assault on the Repbulic. So the Jedi/Republic forces made a pre-emptive strike.

 

If Lincoln let the Confederates go, there's a very good chance that both nations would fall apart.

Not to mention they shot first.

 

Not to mention they shot first.

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"What were the separatists so pissed about anyway? They really didn't explain that much....of course the real reason they were pissed was because Palps was manipulating them."

The seperatists were mad at the ineffectivity and bureacracy of the Republic. Even Naboo had a gripe about that: "I can't believe after five special investigations and appearances in the supreme courts Nute Gunray still remains the viceroy of the Trade Federation."-Sio Bibble

As for Why so many corporate/political entities seceded from the republic...Money! Join the seperatists with Dooku as their chancellor (though with little or no real power ideally) with them building a government ensured to maximize their profit margins...they say that they can strip mine this planet because they're no longer part of the gov't. that decided to protect its natural resources centuries before. They can set tariffs, trade and tax laws all designed to give them as much money as possible without concerning themselves of the health of the overall economy of their new nation. And labor laws, you can just forget those.

So why didn't the Republic let the seperatists go...precedence. If a wannabe-dictator thinks the Republic and the self-righteous Jedi are foiling his plans to dominate his world with an iron fist with embargoes and investigations secede and join the seperatists. Then there's the headache of all the systems save one or two on a crucial traderoute seceding the REpublic-instant strangling, differing, confusing, frustrating procedures and red tape whenever you're trying to get a shipment to Correllia over night.
Oh and did I mention that the Republic would have to ship everything without the TF since they're part of the REp.'s economic competitor now.

No, if they had just let the seperatist go it would've caused tremendous chaos to everyone.

 

Another big reason is that the worlds that seceded were the BIG suppliers of food, medicine, crafts, goods and raw materials to the Republic. They were doing all the work, but getting none of the benefits -- pirates and criminals were preying on them at will without any kind of protection from the Republic (and the Jedi could only do so much). The tax law mentioned in TPM was a stiff tariff on goods (that is, refined goods and materials) going from the Republic to the outer worlds to fill the Senate's (and Core Worlds) treasury -- again, with the outlying worlds getting next to nothing in return. The commerce guilds (like the Trade Federation) operated with near impunity in the outer worlds, treating the citizens like serfs and intimidating the planetary governments into obeying them with their droid armies. And since the guilds had virtually the whole Senate in their pocket, none of the people's cries for justice would be heard, let alone heeded.

Think the American Revolutionary War. The Separatist worlds are the 13 colonies, the Senate is Great Britain. The TPM tax is the Stamp Act, and the invasion of Naboo the Boston Massacre (and, again, the Republic let Naboo twist in the wind). Not only was pride a factor, but to let the separatists go is to invite economic collapse, a bankrupt treasury and the loss of all those expensive luxuries for the Senators.

 

allowing the confederacy to seperate from the usa would have been a terrible idea, you dont let states leave the union whenever they feel like it

 

Jedi_Lord_Windu just about sums it up. From a overviewed standpoint the Separatists secession obviously was attributed to Palpatine's web of deception he had been spinning ever since the Naboo crisis.

As for the Confederacy itself's justification? I think it was the fact they wanted more rigid control over their beauracratic trade territories, absolute capitalism (AOTC mini book), and less restrictions.

Apparently many star systems wanted to break off from the Republic some time prior to the Commerce Guilds, Banking Clan, Trade Federation et cetera wanting to branch off and create another galactic government.

This is one issue of Attack of The Clones which will unfortunetly no be able to be a focal point of clarification due to time restrictions in Episode III.

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"Another big reason is that the worlds that seceded were the BIG suppliers of food, medicine, crafts, goods and raw materials to the Republic...And since the guilds had virtually the whole Senate in their pocket, none of the people's cries for justice would be heard, let alone heeded."

Very good points, Nightowl.
suffice it to say economics and commerce, and lack of representation to change the situation are the real factors behind any such political motion to secede.

 

The whole separatism issue was inspired by Palpatine to weaken the Republic to the point where he could seize control anyway. All of these reasons are valid, but they're ultimately a smokescreen for Palpy's goal to drive the galaxy into war. If he tries to hang on to the Separatists, then they will attack. And it worked, too.

 

Well, in that historical precedent is not to allow separatist movmements, I would say its he other way around. While the origins of the Separatist movement was in Palpatine's scheming, once it got started everything occured pretty naturally.

That is, it would be odder for him to let them go than it would be for him to try and keep them in the Republic.