Why The Empire Strikes Back is the worst Star Wars film.

1) Hoth. Boring scenes of people trudging about in the snow. Yes, we get it. It's cold. Move on!

2) Luke's training. More boring scenes of some stones floating about a bit. Plus the whole "You're yoda?" Well, duh! No need to drag that on for 15 minutes. And let's not forget the two "lessons". Yoda lifting the X-Wing? How contrived was that? And who couldn't see Luke failing in the cave when he took his weapons with him. Boring!

3) Millennium Falcon scenes. Oh look, this "cave" doesn't appear stable, so let's shoot it again to see what happens. More pointless than the "bigger fish" scene in TPM. At least that scene had some genuine peril, rather than a ship on the floor with people just walking about a bit

4) Cloud City. Loads more shots of people just walking about a bit. Oh look, 3PO got shot. What was the point in that? To try and add a bit of tension to an otherwise dismal scene?

5) Vader vs Luke. What a rubbish fight. Vader isn't even holding his saber properly. And again, lots of shots of people doing nothing or walking about a bit.

There are so many other reasons to show that ESB is by far the worst Star Wars film. Any suggestions?

 

6) When Luke falls, he just happens to fall down a convenient air shaft? Give me a break.

7) The Imperial walkers only have guns on their heads, right? So they can't shoot anything that's not right in front of them? Horrible design flaw on Lucas' part.

8) The Falcon spends all that time running from a bunch of TIE Fighters rather than just shooting them? I could have sworn that the last movie showed it has a pair of guns...

 

7b) The shields just happen to go down when the "head" touches the ground. What a load of codswallop

 

I think that it is unfair to call it the worst. Yes, it does move slow, but the character development and plot make up for it. Also most of the slow parts are important and interesting. I mean the end was perfect.

Also, I love the last part of your sig. We need a Peter Griffin icon.

 

Yay, Empire-bashing! Or are we just bored here?

 

The sarcasm detector is weak in this one.

 

Who said I was being sarcastic?

 

Tim thought that this was a joke thread.

Empire rules!

/thread

 

I didn't think it was sarcastic, but I was a little surprised. These seemed like the kind of criticisms that could be made for any of the SW films.

 

9) Boba Fett. What an over-rated pile of poodoo. A pointless bit character that has inexplicably created a huge fanbase. He's nothing!

 

Quite possibly, but ESB is the most fawned over movie of all time, yet it is quite dull, nothing actually happens, and it's basically one tedious scene after another. YAWN!!!

 

Now that is definitely not sarcasm. Or hyperbole. Or anything other than pure truth.

 

Nobody disses the Fett-man!

 

10) Mynocks? "Please go away! Shoo! Shoo!"

Hoth was always boring to me. Still is.

The first half of ESB is actually kinda boring in retrospect, so I'm happy someone had the guts to make this thread.
ESB turns into THE BEST Star Wars movie as soon as Lobot and Lando exchange glances. And as boring as the Battle of Hoth is, the music ROCKS.

 

11. No Ewoks. They should have been introduced far earlier in the saga. The whole 'darkness' theme of TESB is a real downer.

12. No podrace. The boring Battle of Hoth would've been far more exciting with a few pods flying in between the knees of the AT-AT's.

13. Not enough romantic dialogue. Call those love scenes? Where are the sand metaphors?

14. No Death Star. What's an OT film without one of these?

15. No Jar Jar. A film without a CGI sidekick isn't really a film at all.

16. No midichlorians. How are we supposed to understand the Force at all?

 

In all seriousness, I am a little baffled how the romance in ESB has come to be regarded as having been done well. It's almost as bad as AotC.

 

17)To much friendship.Way to many scenes of the characters liking each other.GL should have cut most of those scenes and just let the audience assume everybody were friends like he did with Anakin and Obi,that way we can focus on the important stuff.

18)The duel.While well done grounded fighting is nice it's alittle boring.Where are the flips,twirls and corkscrews?

19)It's just a chase movie.What this dull movie needed was the old SW magic a little excitement if you know what I mean.The taxation of trade routes to outlying Star Systems being in dispute is just what the doctor ordered!

 

If I offered up a detailed response to this thread, people would mistake me, drg4 the dirty prequel luvah, for one of those OT purists. All I can say is...



"That's not true! That's impoooosssssible!"



"Noooo! Noooooooooooo-oooooooooooo!"

 

And we'd see it again many times:
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It isn't until the TCW film that we see Anakin in a ship that can shoot backwards!

 

The whole " Luke, i'm your father" reveal. I mean, some guy who you never met before just up and claims he's your father THAT HAS BEEN GONE FOR 22 Years?

 

Jeez, you're right. That noooooooo is worse than the one in Revenge of the Sith. I wonder why it hasn't turned into an internet meme? That face that Mark Hammill makes... he looks like an electrocuted donkey.

Oh wait, I forgot, The Empire Strikes Back is a flawless paragon of filmmaking. I'm sorry. Forget I said anything.

 

Not only that, but The Empire Strikes Back clearly was deliberately designed to perpetuate a racial stereotype. Darth Vader, with his black armor and his deep, booming voice, represents a poor urban black man who isn't around in his son's life, leading to all sorts of bad things happening to his son.

Shame on you, George Lucas. Shame on you.

 

At least the only other black guy doesn't turn out to be a traitor who is only in it for himself. George dodged a bullet there.

 

Totally agree. I never regarded ESB as the best of the originals. I actually feel its the worst of the three films. Its still good and still a god watch - dont get me wrong. But, its the hardest to sit through. People complain that ANH is slow during the Tatooine parts. I can see their point, but damn... ESB is slow for almost the whole thing. The Hoth battle is cool but the film really drags after that. Again - its good per say since its Star Wars, but of the 6 films, its my lowest rated.

 

It's a good thing GL had a better handle on racial stereotyping by the time he made TPM.