Why was Vader so loyal???

Why was he so loyal to Palpatine/Emperor? Palpy didn't do much for Vader at all. He lied to him on numerous occasions and didn't treat him spectacularly at all. He wanted/needed an apprentice. Anakin was a great Jedi and very powerful.
I just can't figure out why he was so loyal to Palpy....

 

Looking at it from a Classic Trilogy point of view, it was a combination of two things. First, he wanted to stay close to Palpatine until he could overthrow him and take over. Second, he was afraid of his power and looked to him as his master, as in "obey or get hurt". The PT gives us the added dimension that, after ROTS, Vader really had nothing left but his apprenticeship.

 

Vader wasn't loyal beyond window dressing-see the end of TESB and the ROTJ novel. He was planning to kill & supplant Palpatine once Luke was ready.

 

It could be because Palpatine was really all he had left in his life, at least until Luke came along and changed his plans.

 

Until Vader uncovered the truth of Luke's existance, he was so loyal to the Emperor because he knew he had no chance of defeating and overthrowing him. After being put into the suit he lost a lot of his former power, and without another Sith Lord to fight with him any attack on his Master would be a useless gesture and he would be destroyed instantly. But of course once he discovered Luke's existance he knew, as the Emperor did, that if he could be turned to the Dark Side onto his fathers side their combined strength could defeat Sidious. I'm sure the Emperor knew what Vader was planning, by the time of TESB there was some serious distrust between the two of them.

 

All Sith Appentices are loyal until they are ready to betray and murder their Masters. Maul and Tyrannus would've done it when the time came. Sidious did it with Plagueis. Vader is loyal because he wants to know everything there is to know about the nature of the dark side. When Luke shows up, however, he wants to kill Sidious and have Luke become his Apprentice. Sidious, likewise wants Luke to kill Vader and be the ultimate Sith that he wanted in Vader.

 

To be honest, before reading The Force Unleashed novelization of playing the game, I thought Vader was going to come away as a little more independent and conspiring than he seemed to be in the films. But after I got to the end of the book, well, it was obvious he was just as loyal as ever to Palps.

 

No, he didn't.

 

I think that until ROTJ Vader still believed that the dark side offered a release from the pain of existence and he still believed that the most likely source of the secret to that was Palpatine.

 

I think Dooku would have already like to overthrow Sidious in Attack of the Clones , that's probably why he told Obi-Wan about Sidious .

 

"i MUST obey my master"..... he had no choice - the dark side saw to that....

 

Good point, and he may well have been planning to otherthrow Sidious.

 

OBI-WAN: "Do you believe what Count Dooku said about Sidious controlling the Senate? It doesn't feel right."

YODA: "Joined the dark side, Dooku has. Lies, deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now."

MACE WINDU: "Never the less, I feel we should keep a closer eye on the Senate."

YODA: "I agree."


MACE WINDU: "In the name of the Galactic Senate of the Republic, you are under arrest, Chancellor.

PALPATINE: "Are you threatening me, Master Jedi?"

MACE: "The Senate will decide your fate."

PALPATINE: "I am the Senate!"

MACE: "Not yet!"

PALPATINE: "It's treason, then."


PALPATINE: ". . . and the Jedi Rebellion has been foiled."


That is why Dooku tells Obi-wan about Sidious controlling the Senate. The whole thing was planned from back then, to the moment in ROTS when it all goes to hell. Sidious wanted the Jedi to come after him, so he could be justified in terminating them.

 

I think Palpatine knew the Jedi would come after him when he wouldn't give up power after the war is over regardless of what Dooku told them . Remember unlike Sidious Dooku may be a darkside user but he still seems to have some respect for some members of the council like Mace Windu .

 

It's moments like when Dooku asked Obi-Wan to join him, what would happen if Obi-Wan reacted differently.

Dooku: "Join me and we will destroy the Sith."
Obi-Wan: "Sounds good, when do we start?"

Vader: "I am stronger then the Chancellor, I can overthrow him..."
Padme: "Could you do that? That would be wonderful."

I mean. Vader makes an offer of power to Padme, which is openly threatening to Palpatine, she turns it down and he goes back to being loyal. Similarly, I think that if Obi-Wan allowed himself to be manipulated by Dooku and his talk about how Qui-Gon would have followed him, etc. I think Dooku would have used him to help kill Palpatine. But to turn down the offer served its purpose too.

I don't think Vader was ever really loyal. He was plotting to recruit Luke and challenge Palpatine for the position of Sith Master, but when Luke turned it down he went back to being "loyal." He was "loyal" so long as Palpatine held greater power than he did. If Vader could recruit an apprentice and gather more power for himself, he would have challenged Palpatine. But so long as he held less power than Palpatine, he didn't really have a choice in the matter. Also, there is the insinuation by Palpatine in ROTS that the a Sith - either Plagueis or himself - was responsible for Anakin's inception; and it is my understanding that in earlier drafts Sidious explicitly claimed credit for creating Anakin. Perhaps Vader felt some form of familial relationship to Palpatine because of that. When he is watching Palpatine torturing Luke with force lightning, and is conflicted in what to do, it might have been like choosing between a father and a son, but then again that would imply loyalty.

Lucas maintains that Vader wanted to replace Palpatine, and that held true in ESB, but in ROTJ all of his ambition seems to be dead.

 

Loyal? He kills the guy. He plans on using Luke to kill him.

No, Vader isn't loyal. He's just looking for a chance to kill Sid.

 

Dooku was faking respect. He stopped respecting them ten years ago. Dooku was giving the Jedi reason to be suspicious, when they wouldn't otherwise. Everything was part of the plan.

That's because he is in conflict. Part of him wants to break away and join Luke. The other knows that his time is coming and he is losing the opportunity to convert Luke to his side, before Palpatine does it first. That's why when they fight, Vader is trying to get Luke on his side at the outset. But he's still holding back. He later chooses to use Leia and it is unexpected the rage that he uses. It is too much for him. He also knows that if he cannot turn Luke, then he will have to kill him and that is something that he is finding very hard to do.

 

Vader was an idiot for not seeing Galens potential.

 

Conflict or not. Vader refused to go with Luke. And in ESB, when away from the Emperor's ears, Vader was bold enough to plot against Palpatine. But in ROTJ, while away from the Emperor's ears, he tells Luke that the Emperor - and not Vader - will be his new master, and that it is too late for him, etc. He made it sound as though he expected Luke to kill him, and that he was OK with it. As though instead of using Luke to take the Emperor's place, Vader accepted that he had gone as far as he could and wanted Luke to replace him so that with the Emperor's help Luke could have the power he could never achieve. I mean, Palpatine already provoked Luke to kill in anger, the epitome of the dark side, there was no reason for Vader to step in and save Palpatine, unless he wanted Palpatine to live. Add that to when Vader tells Luke that the Emperor will be his new master, and it just seems like he's giving up on life so that Luke could "benefit."

 

He refused to go because he didn't think he could turn back from the dark side. He's accepting that he could never be who he was and part of him still doesn't want to.

Vader stepped in because Luke was not ready to turn yet. It would be just like when he killed Dooku. Luke would be close, but he could still break away and refuse to give in. That's why he blocked the fatal blow. He was trying to get Luke to turn by making him focus on him. He knew that Luke cared for his friends, so he was trying to find the key to getting him to turn. He wasn't ready to give up his life just yet.

 

One thing is for sure though , even though Palpatine might have suspected that Vader would want to betray him at some point it seems he didn't expect Vader to lay a hand on him when he did because he's not paying any attention to Vader what so ever in that scene where Vader picks him .

 

But Galen was never as powerful as Vader could've been, nor as Luke would be. Even being diminished as he is, Vader was still a good match for Galen.

What happened with Palpatine is that while he suspected that Vader would betray him, he didn't sense how or why. He was now blind just as the Jedi had once been blind. Palpatine did not sense the conflict in Vader that Luke did. He couldn't even sense Luke's arrival in the system. Sidious believed that if Vader would betray him, it would be to further his own agenda, just as he did with Plagueis. What he couldn't sense was the compassion that was brewing within Vader, leading to the re-awakening of Anakin. Thus when Anakin attacks him, he is shocked because he doesn't sense it. He doesn't feel that strong burst of compassion and unconditional love.

 

Luke was beaten on Bespin wasnt he?

Galen nearly killed Palps.

 

But it's just a video game. In reality Luke and Vader would have been a lot more poweful than him.

 

Depends what level of cannon you accept.