Why was Yoda upset?

Why was Yoda so upset when Order 66 was given, and the Jedi dropped like flies?

I mean, he advised Anakin not to feel attachment to any loved ones. Added to which, these Jedi were becoming 'one with the Force', which is supposed the pinnacle for any Jedi.

Why wasn't Yoda standing over the body of a fallen Jedi comrade, exclaiming "What, dying are you? Excellent that is! One with the Force you become! Wishing I could join you after 874 years of remaining apart from the Force!"

 

Dude. His comrades are dying. I know Jedi aren't supposed to have emotional attatchments, but they could have friends and such. I believe its also the fact that such an evil act was being committed it disheartened him. Also, so many Force perceptives were died, that it left a sort of hole or gap in the living force, putting out of balance. He felt that.

 

He felt the pain, the way he felt Anakin's pain in AOTC. He felt that something was wrong. He felt that Mace died, and thus that he was killed by the Sith Lord - and probably that Anakin was involved. He most likely sensed the destruction of the Jedi Order, and all that they fought for - so it was not just his friends, it was his belief system that were shattered to pieces.

 

Yes of course, because this is exactly what Yoda is saying. Besides I think Yoda was more in PAIN than in sadness.

 

That's how I took it; he was feeling the betrayal and pain as they were
being cut down.
Remember Obi-Wan in ANH when he stumbled and sat down when approaching Alderaan?
He felt a huge disturbance in the force and could sense voices crying out in pain then
suddenly silenced. It's the same thing.
You're trying to find hypocrisy in Yoda, in this case, it does not exist

 

I agree. Yoda can still feel for them without being blinded by attachments to them. For instance, if I see an automobile accident on TV with fatalities, I genuinely feel for them. However, I wouldn't join the Dark Side or make a deal with the Devil to save their lives. Anakin crossed that line to save Padme, because he was too close to her, and that's what Yoda was warning him about.

Some people also mention Yoda taking the Clones to Geonosis and starting a war just to save Obi-Wan, Anakin and Padme. There's nothing that says that Jedi can't aid one another. However, Yoda would never cut off Mace's arm and join Darth Sidious in order to save another Jedi Knight, as Anakin did. Yoda would sacrifice Obi-Wan or Mace if it meant saving millions of innocent people, but I believe Anakin would give them all up for Padme.

 

"Yoda would sacrifice Obi-Wan or Mace if it meant saving millions of innocent people, but I believe Anakin would give them all up for Padme."

Agreed!

 

Umm, I think you have missed the point.

Yoda is telling Anakin that he has to learn to let go of his fears and that he can't stop the inevitable. He can't control everything - nor should he try. If people die then, AS A JEDI, you have to pick yourself back up and carry on with your duty. He isn't saying, death is good -else the Jedi Order would have quite a high suicide rate!

Look at Yoda afterwards. He lets go and gets on with his duty - going to take down the Sith. He shows no anger or hatred.

Compassion and love is central to a Jedi's life. When Yoda or any Jedi see's another person of child suffering or someone that has suffered a terrible act then they will of course feel sadness - thats what compassion is - "sufferring with". But that is entirely different to what Yoda is talking to Anakin about. Anakin is fearful of losing things and is holding on to things. He wants to try and stop the inevitable.

Yoda leads by example in the "mourning them not and missing them not". He gets on with things. He feels sadness and compassion but then gets on with his duty.

 

Exactly.

 

I agree. Yoda can still feel for them without being blinded by attachments to them.

I'm curious . . . what was Yoda's reaction following the deaths of his comrades - including Mace? He orders Obi-Wan to kill Anakin and decides to kill Palpatine himself, without considering the consequences of his actions.

Perhaps he was blinded by his attachment to the Jedi Order, after all.

 

Yoda looked like he had one huge headache after he sensed the loss of Mace Windu and Anakin Skywalker's fall to the dark side. We know Mace Windu had a secret attachment in the form of the Republic. But I felt that Yoda had no attachments. He was at peace with himself and the Force as Grand Master on Coruscant just as much alone on Dagobah.

 

BEN: "I felt a great disturbance in the Force... as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

Yoda could feel the shock and betrayal of all the Jedi, through the Force. Obi-wan could feel the destruction of Alderaan. This is a result of the Living Force, which allows a Jedi to be intuitive. To feel and sense things through the Force, regarding other lifeforms. Because Obi-wan was attacked first, he did not sense this disturbence. Yoda was attacked later on, which is how come he could sense it. Yoda sensed both Mace's death and Anakin's turn to the dark side.

It has nothing to do with attachment. It has to do with being sensitive to life and the deaths of all those Jedi caused a great disturbence in the Force. It's no different from when he felt Anakin's pain three years earlier.

 

Yoda's actions on Kashyyyk were meant to symbolize that the simultaneous deaths of his comrades: "ripped his heart out." As Sinister said, Yoda could sense the loss of many lives, especially the loss of fellow Jedi.

 

To be fair, it's the Jedi's duty to destroy the Sith. That would have been his reaction anyway.

I also think the thread is more specifically talking about Yoda's reaction in the Order 66 montage where he drops his cane and looks like he's in pain.

 

Sidious wasn't like any Sith Lord that came before him.
Yoda was blind to this, he assumed that the Sith Lords had remained as stagnant as the Jedi Order had been. For all his chastizing of Qui-Gon for assuming Anakin's origins in TPM, Yoda was just as guilty for doing the same type of thing in ROTS.

People blame Anakin for the Republic's downfall, but its clear... the Jedi were guilty of keeping double standards before he ever became a Padawan.

 

Yoda was the one who voiced the Jedi's concern that Anakin may not in fact be the Chosen One, and Mace never seemed fully sure of it anyway. I don't see them ever being as certain as Qui-Gon was.

 

I wonder why he didn't sense his 4 brothers from the Council getting killed by Palps and Anakin??

In TPM and AOTC we were supposed to accept the excuse that the Jedi cannot sense things because the "Dark Side clouds everything." So why can Yoda suddenly sense deaths across the galaxy?

And thats a great question about Yoda immediately ordering Obi Wan to get Anakin and going after Sidious on his own. Sids just took out 4 masters from the council with ease and Anakin is fully tapping into the Dark Side. Plus, the clones had taken over the republic. What was the rush to take the Sith out? Couldn't this have been a good time to perhaps bring some other Jedi in? Maybe get a better game plan than one-on-one duels?

Just seems like another sign of Yoda's weak leadership all throughout the PT.

 

I always thought that it was because of the sheer magnitude of the deaths that they piereced the shroud, similar to how Obi-Wan was shaken by the deaths caused by the Death Star, but it is a good question.

It's obviously really because he'd established that Obi-Wan put Vader in the suit, so he needed to do that. In-universe I'd assume it's because they aren't certain if any Jedi survived and that they are planning to strike before the Empire has fully solidified the military escalation.

 

But how many Jedi really died during that montage? 5 or 6 maybe? I don't know it just seems like the death of Mace and the other masters and the loss of Anakin would have gained his notice too.

Even when Anakin slaughtetred the Tuskens Yoda sensed his pain. What about his pain in ROTS? It just never seems to be consistent.

 

Yeah, Order 66 was actually in phases. First they offed those 5 or 6. That was all. Then Palpatine realized that most of the Jedi Order was still alive and had to execute Order 67.

Hmm. Yoda meditating in his chamber by himself with Anakin in a rage hacking Tuskens to pieces vs. Yoda, you know, leading a battle and Anakin struggling over what he should do. Obviously totally similar situations.

 

Well where were the rest of the Jedi? Weren't there over 9,000 out there? all of them were sitting next to clonetroopers? Nothing in the film ever indicated this at all. In fact, the movie indicates the opposite since a homing beacon was put out saying "return to the temple" if all the jedi were with clones that would not have been necessary.

And why does Yoda have to be in meditation to sense something? Luke was hanging from the edge of Cloud City with his hand chopped off and he was able to not only sense Leia (who had zero training) but speak to her telepahtically. So I think Yodes should be able to handle it too.

 

No, by ROTS the Jedi were spread pretty thin. There certainly weren't 9,000 left. As for where the rest of them where, they were leading you know, the clones. They all got exterminated, except for about a hundred survivors.

Edit: If most of them were still alive after Order 66, why don't we see any others? They're dead, that's why.

No, the movie indicates that there where survivors, not that just 5 or 6 got killed with the initial order.

From the insider article on the Grand Army: Jedi were always escorted by clones wherever they went in the war zone. So yes-there were clons nearby..

Hmm, sensing one person from a couple of miles (at best) vs. sensing one person from half the galaxy away while you're being shot at. Right. Obviously similar situations. You notice Luke doesn't have the foggiest idea what's going on with Han and Leia until Yoda has him meditating in TESB? The only times people in SW know the other person is there is when they're intimately related-Luke & Vader in TESB, Vader & Obi-Wan in ANH, and Luke & Vader again in ROTJ. Even Palps has no clue Luke is already on Endor in ROTJ until Vader outright tells him, and he's practically next door. So no, even Yoda is not always knowing able to know what is going on with any person at any given moment in time, particularly when he's not particularly concerned with it, which IMO he wasn't with Anakin in ROTS.

 

I meant that Yoda was guilty of assuming that ROE Era-Sith were the same as the Sith of Old.

Lack of consistency... indeed.

How can Kenobi jump so high in TPM (with less midichlorians than Anakin) to chase after Maul and Qui-Gon, and Vader can't jump 1/3 of that distance right AFTER he jumped a hundred yards?

If you are looking for ANY real consistency... them Star Wars is not for you.

 

Hmmm. I wonder if Yoda felt anything when Maul or Dooku died ??

 

Could he sense them at all?

Heck, the little green muppet sat right in front of Sidious for more than ten years without ever sniffing a whiff of his Sith Cologne.