Why Wasnt Qui Gon Jinn in Episode 3?

I am a Huge Qui Gon Fan and was Wondering why he wasnt in Episode 3? I think that him in Spirit Form would have tied together the Movies alot better, instead you only see Obi-Wan and Yoda as Spirits and Even Anakin so it's a common thing in the OT but never in the New Trilogy...Any Info would be great..thanks.

 

Officially the scene had to be cut for time, but I'm not sure Liam ever signed up to do ROTS.

 

Actually i heard Liam On a talk show after Episode one and he said "Your Never really dead in the Star Wars universe" Also i heard a Rumor that he Broke his Leg or something in another movie...maybe someone can add something or give me your opinions on the subject ..i really do think it would have tied the whole "One with the Force" Idea together.

 

Last year when the ROTS DVD was about to come out or when it did, Rick McCallum answered this. He said that Lucas tested the scene, before bringing Liam in to record. Lucas found that it didn't work for him and so it was cut. Neeson had no problem coming back, but Lucas felt that the scene didn't have the impact that he had hoped for. So it was dropped.

 

WOW..that kinda sucks because you never see a "Spirit Form" Jedi in any of the New Trilogy movies, I also thought they should have included it on the DVD, any word on if they will ever release it? I know in the ROTS Game for the Nintendo D.S. Qui Gon Jinn is in that as a Spirit....

 

I don't think so. I don't think it was completed beyond animatics. Anyway, according to Lucas, the plan was that Qui-gon could not take on a corporeal form like the others do. That he found out from a Shaman of the Whills. The eu explaination is that the ability was lost and thus many PT era Jedi did not know how to do it.

 

Hey thanks for the Info, this is really a cool Site and i just always wondered about some of the Star Wars Lure, Im happy there is a cool place like this to find some things out..peace.

 

You're welcome.

 

I really hope Lucas changes his mind at some point and gets Liam to record some Qui-Gon dialogue for a future special edition release. His absence was one of my few major disappointments with ROTS, especially as he was such a key character in TPM.

 

It sort of stinks that the scene wasn`t added especially after Yoda tells Obi-Wan that Qui-Gon came back

 

Yeah, if anything, GL should've also cut the scene where Yoda tells Obi about Qui Gon, it makes no sense to people who didn't know about the earlier Qui scene.

 

Sure it does. For everyone who has seen the films, we know that Qui-gon is a ghost and speaking. Even without paying attention to AOTC, which they'd have to be rather dense not to hear him. For the first timers, they'll figure it out by ANH.

 

Well, they couldn't have cut the idea ENTIRELY. There had to be some explanation about why Obi-Wan and Yoda disappeared and became Force Ghosts. It would have been poor to leave that part dangling.

This thread has been brought up a number of times and I will stick to my guns on saying that he should have been in the movie in voice form.

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My emotions are mixed.

On one hand sometimes I tend to think that it would be fun to see Qui-Gon as a spirit. It might also increase continuity factor.

But on the other hand I have some doubts how it would work on screen. Implication is usually more subtle and sophisticated than explication, so if this scene was included, maybe it would be a bit too straightforward. The whole dialogue how eternal life may be achieved by compassion and not greed might sound too direct. And the dialogue included in the comics version sounds a little lame. But again, in SW most of the dialogues sound this way.

And the way it is seems sufficient to explain the whole ghosts' thing.

 

I'm glad we didn't see it, I like the payoff being in ROTJ. Hasn't Lucas come back to say that Qui-Gon didn't have the ability to show his physical form, Yoda could only hear his voice? I wouldn't have minded hearing his voice again, but I think it works well as is.

 

I was really disappointed about this for some time after we first learned that Liam was nowhere to be seen or heard in RotS. I wanted this so badly and it seemed to work so well in the novelization. But overtime I have come to see this from Lucas' perspective. Yes, we all know what Force ghosts are but in terms of storyline it's too soon. It works better as some sort of mystery that slowly reveals itself, first with Obi-wan's voice, then a flickering image, and later an almost corporeal form that could sit and talk with Luke and answer his questions. Leaving those "revelations" works story wise.

I would still rather have heard Liam Neeson just one more time in a SW film, but I now understand why he isn't there.

 

The thing that bothered me is Qui-Gon Jinn was in the Clone Wars volume 2 cartoon, and in the Episode 3 video game, plus the fact that there were no "Jedi Spirits" in the New Trilogy only in the older one, i think the casual Star Wars Fan will not understand that in AOTC after Anakin Kills the Sand People yoda is talking with Qui-Gon and again in ROTS When Bail Organa busts in that roon Yoda was talking with Qui-Gon but the avg. Fan wont know this IMO, i also hope Liam Records some kind of part for a future special edition of ROTS.

 

Qui-Gon turned out to be a truly THE ideal Jedi. It would have been nice to see him as a ghost, but given his knowledge, his ideals and how he thinks and his character in general, we didn't need to see him as a spirit. All you have to do is read the novel if you want to go in depth.

 

yea i read the novel, and it gave some Closure....i think maybe i just wanted to see my Favorite Star Wars Character on Film once again..and i dont think anybody will fault me for that.

 

But not everyone will read the novelization, nor are they required to. That is some of the arguments about this. Anyway, none of the eu had any clue that Lucas would cut this. Otherwise they might not have included him in "Rogue Planet", "Jedi Trial", "Dark Rendezvous" or Clone Wars volume 2. However, it does work there as you can read all the books and see his evolution from occasional speaker to Master of Yoda and Obi-wan.


And yes, Lucas said that Qui-gon could not be seen the way the other Jedi are in the OT. Only heard. In "Rogue Planet", Obi-wan heard him as he was dozing off. Anakin saw him in a dream. "Jedi Trial", Anakin could hear Qui-gon right before he went to kill in cold blood. He was fully conscious when this happend, but felt that it might've been his imagination. Yoda had a vision of Qui-gon and a young Anakin, while meditating. Yoda spoke to Qui-gon while meditating in "Dark Rendezvous". Again he could see his former Padawan. By the time of "Dark Lord" and "The Dangerous Rescue", Obi-wan could speak to him consciously.

And just to throw it out there, at the end of "The Call To Vengeance", Qui-gon could hear Tahl tell him not to kill in vengeance. This was probably what made him curious about the ability to speak from the Netherworld of the Force.