PT Why would the Separatists follow the shutdown order?

This plot device makes so little sense. First of all, if such a thing was out there, assuming the Republic knew about it, you'd think that every battle would be focused on trying to take the Separatist leadership compound in order to cripple the droid army by issuing the shutdown command.

Also, one wonders why so few of the Separatists would question the shutdown order, or perhaps even refuse it.

If they won the war, why would they want to cease droid production (assuming Vader told them that was the reason to cease production) and, if they hadn't won it, why cease droid production? Were a bunch of droids operating the communication areas and thus carried out the shutdown of droid production without questioning it?

 

what's the shutdown order?

 

First, while the timing is different in the Stover novel, in the film Anakin has no time to issue the command before he is distracted by Padme's arrival after Palpatine tells him to send it.

That aside, assuming the order happened, we see that most of the Separatist leadership is faint-hearted and mostly easy to intimidate. It is likely that even if it was against their best interests, most would agree to the command in order to avoid being slaughtered by Vader or the Empire (at this time Vader is known to be Sidious's new apprentice, but not in the suit yet). Before Vader arrived on Mustafar to kill the Separatist leadership, they were under the impression that the droid army was no longer needed because the Republic had lost the war now that Sidious, their leader, was head of state.

 

Who says the republic knows about it?

The sepratists didn't win the war. General Grievous' death was see to be the end of the war.

 

Do they know or did they knew that Sidious and Palpatine were one in the same?

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I always interpreted "the message" Sidious tells Vader to send as a Separatist version of Order 66. Remotely and immediately switch off the Droid Army and none of the organic Separatist personnel would stand a chance. There was no order for anybody to follow. Nobody had to know Sidious had a kill switch for both sides (which makes sense; he totally would). If he could (mostly) keep Order 66 secret, then he could keep a droid override signal secret, too.

 

Well he said “Send a message to the ships of the Trade Federation.” Palpatine left the droid army in charge of the cowardly opportunistic corporate elements. Not the hardline believers. And Gunray and the separatist leadership knew they lost the war and were hoping to hideout until a negotiation could be reached with the Empire. “Lord Sidious promised us peace.” I’m sure the Federation figured continuing to fight without leadership was not in the best interest of the company.

 

Yea that quote kinda suggests that Gunray knows Palpatine is Sidious and was in on it on that deep of a level.

But for the original poster…the Republic doesn’t know about the shut down order. Vader was there on Mustafar where all the Separatists Leaders were and it’s safe to assume their main computer that control All the Droid Units was all there. So Vader just did it.

All the leaders were wiped out by Vader. The droid army only follows the leaders, they are not like the Clones. Once Vader turned them off…they remain off.

 

I honestly thought is was basically just a kill switch.
But if a message comes from high command telling you to shut down, why question it? The droids were never that smart.

 

I never thought there was anything out of the ordinary about that line. If you are in charge of a large army of murder robots it seems normal to have a big “off” button that you can press in the event that you would like there to be no more murder.

 

They didn't know. Dooku and Maul were the only ones who knew prior to the start of the film.

He didn't know. Sidious told him that the war would end and they would be rewarded for the abuse and the ruining of their reputation. Sidious told them that he had control over the Senate, but they assumed that it had to do with senators and not that he was Palpatine.

 

Outside of the movies, in canon there are several mentions of Separatist holdouts (Tarkin and Catalyst if I recall). Several of them probably became components of the Rebel Alliance to an extent, I would imagine.

 

There simply was no leadership to oppose Sidious and the shut down order. Not sure if it would be one main switch, but if there were other world rulers that have a say, this couldve been interesting to see.
One main thing I forgot to add to my top five wish I saw for the PT list would be more Seperatist leaders who were on the battle field and who would have a fondness for Dooku but not the death and destruction of war. They would fight along side the battle droids but once the war would end, they would want them shut down. These remnants after the war would eventually help form the Rebel Allaince.

 

In Season 3 of Star Wars Rebels, there was a Super Tactical Droid named General Kalani who ignored the shutdown order, and assumed it was a trick message coming from the Republic.

 

LOLing at the suggestion Nute Gunray knew Sidious and Palpatine were one in the same...

I mean, it's Gunray people.

 

Well, Anakin as Darth Vader (replacement of Count Dooku the CIS leader) was the only one who issued the order. Everyone who received it were droids, so thdy had to obey.

I see no plot hole.

 

Agreed. In fact, you might even say that...

 

Right after Palpatine gave to order saying for all the droid units to shutdown, Anakin said "Very good my lord," is when Padme arrived on Mustafar. So, wouldn't that mean that Anakin never gives the order and someone else did?

 

Anakin forgot, so Plapy sent his Super Duper Secret Apprentice...uh...let's call him...Steve...to do it

 

I’m assuming he did it offscreen while Padme was landing.

 

The Separatist leaders knew the war was a ruse to get Sidious into power, not aware that Sidious and Palps are the same person. Hence Gunray's comment before Anakin kills him, "Lord Sidious said we'd be taken care of." In other words, Sidious promised them wealth, security, power, or whatever, for starting a war and to get Sidious into power. Once that was accomplished, the Separatist leaders followed the order based on their agreement with him.

 

It's one thing for the Jedi not to realize that Palpatine and Sidious was the same person, because they assumed Sidious was controlling him.

However, I thought the Separatist leaders knew that Palpatine and Sidious were the same person?

Did they wonder why Nute Gunray was still the Viceroy of the Trade Federation, when that should have been taken away by Palpatine after the events of The Phanton Menace.

 

Sidious could have simply told Gunray & the others "Palpatine" was a weak minded fool and he made things happen to make sure Gunray does not spend a single day in Prison...

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I think we're overthinking this. Anakin/Vader didn't give the order, Palpatine did. And the Separatist leaders followed it because they were in on the deal with Sidious. Let's not make it more complicated than it needs to be.