Will Anakin be Darth Vader before putting on the suit?

Do you think Anakin will officially take the name Darth Vader before having to put on the suit? I'm guessing yes, but I'm not sure. I could certainly see during the duel, Obi-Wan saying something like "Anakin, stop!" and Anakin saying "My name is Darth Vader".

This reminds me of a misconception I had about ROTJ until I was like 14. I had thought up until that point that if Luke had turned to the dark side after defeating Vader that he would put on the Darth Vader suit. I just associated the dark side so much with that suit that I thought if Luke became a Sith he would wear that. Haha, seems stupid now.

 

Well if you buy the fact that the exchange from the trailer...

Lord Vader.

Yes, Mater.

Riiiise.

...occurs at the same point in the film as it does in the trailer, then you have to assume that Anakin has already heard the name "Lord Vader" prior to putting on the suit. I, however, do not believe that this bit of sound comes from that point in the movie, so I am not sure.

How was that for a cop-out.



Mace Windy,
too windy for spoilers!

 

Ah, this old question again...

I'm going to say no. I think it'll happen before that moment in the trailer where Sidious says "Lord Vader, riiiise....." What a perfect way to introduce his new identity. I can't see him getting the name earlier, or that moment is anti-climatic.

However Vader's just a name. If he doesn't take the name until he gets the suit, it doesn't necessarily mean he's not a bad guy before then- a bad guy as Anakin.

I just think it fits in better with what Lucas has been saying (especially with what's hinted at in the new Vanity Fair article) about Anakin making a pact with the devil. Sidious' saving his shattered life is the final stroke in the signing away of his soul.


EDIT: yeah that was a cop-out Windy, But you do have a point, the audio may not coincide with the video... damn.

 

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Well, I always figured he'd be Darth Vader BEFORE the Duel. I mean, at that point, one could safely assume he has already turned to the darkside. He would then need to adopt some sort of "Darth" name.

I thought it'd be cool if it went this way:

Over the course of the 2nd half of the film, certain Jedi are beginning to be killed off. No one knows exactly WHO is doing it, but there are rumors that there is some Sith Lord called "Darth Vader." Then in the "duel," somehow it comes to Anakin mentioning how he had killed the other jedi-or he "has a NEW master"-and Obi-Wan realizes "It was YOU!!!!! Your'e Darth Vader!!! and things follow from there. I think that would work perfectly! what do YOU think?

 

I think he'll wear the suit once he becomes Darth Vader.

 

That'd be cool Belo.

 

I too am a firm believer that Anakin will drop his name once he puts on the suit. Afterall, he is no longer the same person he once was during his training as a Jedi.

Besides, what a cool way to end Episode III; then to have Palpatine say, "Lord Vader...Riiissseee!"

In fact, it sends chills down my spine...

 

I think Anakin will be Darth Vader before the suit.

"Obi-Wan once thought as you do...you don't understand the power of the Dark Side! I MUST obey my master."

I think Obi-Wan is going to go in believing that Anakin can be turned back, that he's just confused and hurt, but by the end (and after some serious punishment, judging by the trailer ), Kenobi will believe that Vader must be stopped.

 

I think he'll become Vader WAY after the suit. Vader means "father", doesn't it? So I think he'll be given the title once he learns about the twins.

Unless he already knows that Padme is pregnant. Oh the uncertainties of being spoiler free. Every once and a while it gets you.

 

^oh no, not the vader=father conspiracy again.

Vader, as in InVader, as he storms onto the councilor's ship.


Also I still, until May 19th believe that Vader is not the physical being but his pyschological identity. It is his choosing to follow the dark side . It is choosing to abandon the Jedi Order. It is his choosing to abandon his friends, such as Obi-Wan.

Aboard the ds2, who throws The Emperor down the reactor shaft: Vader or Anakin? Who wanted to look at Luke w/ his own eyes: Vader or Anakin? Who wanted his son to apologize to his daughter: Vader or Anakin? Yet Anakin was still in the suit.

 

Does Dooku need a suit to be Darth Tyranus? I thought not. And I thought, given how much of the early scripts are public knowledge, that there would be no one left who thought Vader refers to him being Luke's father. That name was around long before his paternity was ever a story element. And no, it's not an idea Lucas came up with early and then dropped. The first draft contains all his first ideas, not his second guesses.

 

Anakin will assume the name Darth Vader before the suit. After his duel with Obi-Wan, he'll don the suit and become the greatest badass mother *shut your mouth* to grace the SW universe.

 

After his duel with Obi-Wan, he'll don the suit and become the greatest badass mother *shut your mouth* to grace the SW universe.

I'm talking 'bout Shaft!

I can't believe you got away with that.

 

Ok, this is really 3 different questions...

1. When does he become "Sith"?
2. When does he actually receive the name Vader?
3. Does he get the name or fully accept the Sith title before the suit?

My guess is no to the latter. HOWEVER, I believe this is going to be WAY more ambiguous than everyone seems to think it will be. We'll be debating when exactly he became Sith for a long time. But I'm not convinced he'll take the actual title and name until he absolutely has to, until the suit. There has to be an ambiguous quality to him, even if he's killing Jedi, he'll do it as Anakin not Vader. He'll be bad, but not in the Vader name, not until there is absolutely no going back.


I think he'll become Vader WAY after the suit. Vader means "father", doesn't it? So I think he'll be given the title once he learns about the twins.

Unless he already knows that Padme is pregnant. Oh the uncertainties of being spoiler free. Every once and a while it gets you.

Dude, just a heads up. I would REALLY caution you about posting in threads that aren't HCSF, because we have known for a long time the facts behind your observations, and you may accidentally run into the truth in non-HCSF threads.

 

I really like Darth Belo's idea. I don't have any doubt that he will be Darth Vader before the suit.

Ghost Jedi said it well. The name/title is a psychological thing, not a physical thing. Anakin returns while wearing the suit so, at least to me, the suit is simply the device that keeps his physical body alive. It has nothing to do with "who" he is - light side or dark side...

Bee

 

Dude, just a heads up. I would REALLY caution you about posting in threads that aren't HCSF, because we have known for a long time the facts behind your observations, and you may accidentally run into the truth in non-HCSF threads.

Yeah, you're right.

 

DARTH_BELO: Over the course of the 2nd half of the film, certain Jedi are beginning to be killed off. No one knows exactly WHO is doing it, but there are rumors that there is some Sith Lord called "Darth Vader." Then in the "duel," somehow it comes to Anakin mentioning how he had killed the other jedi-or he "has a NEW master"-and Obi-Wan realizes "It was YOU!!!!! Your'e Darth Vader!!! and things follow from there. I think that would work perfectly! what do YOU think?

What a spanking good idea! And imagine this: way before the duel, Anakin stages his own death and lets the rumor get out that he was killed by a sith lord named Darth Vader, concealing the fact that he himself is the new dark lord, working in the shadows as Darth Sidious' assassin and henchman.

 

I say yes. I wouldn't be suprised if he was Vader by The Duel, but that's a long shot.

I'd love the apperance of a costume that looks like Vader's suite without the life support gear, just the tunic, cape & gloves.

 

Over the course of the 2nd half of the film, certain Jedi are beginning to be killed off. No one knows exactly WHO is doing it, but there are rumors that there is some Sith Lord called "Darth Vader." Then in the "duel," somehow it comes to Anakin mentioning how he had killed the other jedi-or he "has a NEW master"-and Obi-Wan realizes "It was YOU!!!!! Your'e Darth Vader!!! and things follow from there. I think that would work perfectly! what do YOU think?

No, I don't think they'll be enough time for that. He'd have to turn evil about halfway through the movie. GL has said that he will be Anakin for most of it. I just can't imagine a scene 2/3 in where he takes the name Vader, it's anticlimatic because so much would have to be explained. We can't just stop the climax train here. It's more likely that Anakin becomes increasingly angry and violent, spiraling out of control. Think of the plot model you learned in high school. The top part of it, the climax, is the duel with Obi-Wan. Approaching the climax are situations which, when heaped upon each other, serve to push Anakin up the dark side curve. Each event will help to do this. Cause and effect. The act of becoming Vader is an effect of his violent behavior. The Jedi disapproving of him, Padme's fear of him, Padme's death, Palpy's manipulation are causes of his violence. We must see that the causes before the effects. We know that the duel is the climax of the film, we've known that forever. We also know that he's using a blue saber in the fight, that's because his actions have not yet met their full consequences... officially becoming a Sith lord. The duel is both the final cause and the first effect of the dark side manifesting itself permanently in Anakin.

 

I think Anakin will become Darth Vader only AFTER wearing the suit because of one reason:

We can only recognize Darth Vader with the suit on. Those are two things that are kind of inseperable: Darth Vader and his suit.

 

Personally, I think that would be what makes it so GREAT, though - seeing "Darth Vader" WITHOUT the suit-it will give us the true realization of Anakin's real downfall. What he used to be, vs. what he became...

Also, it would help to add SO much more to his character, seeing Darth Vader WITHOUT the suit. We will no LONGER just see Darth Vader as a faceless, pure evil Sith Lord in a suit, but also when we watch the later episodes, we can think back to THIS moment in time, remembering that Darth Vader WAS once good - was once ANAKIN SKYWALKER.

 

I have to agree with Darth Belo. Anakin becoming Vader has nothing to do with Vader's suit....

The suit is immaterial to Anakin's true self. Darth Vader again becomes Anakin Skywalker prior to losing the suit. As soon as he chooses to love his son, Luke, above his master, Sidious, he returns to being Anakin Skywalker. As seen in ROTJ, Anakin returns to being his true self, finally defeating his evil actions, well prior to Luke taking his helmet off. Anakin Skywalker returns to being Anakin before the helmet and suit are taken from him so the suit is simply a way of telling the story of Anakin Skywalker without actually giving away the greatest secret told in this saga.

Perhaps my love of this secret is why I agree with Darth Belo.

Does that makes me a silly idealist....


Bee


Edit: Clarity...

 

I like DARTH_BELO'S idea, it's interesting. I used to think for a long time that he had to have the suit on to be Vader, but now I don't think so.