Will TESB always be the worst movie in Star Wars?

It is so boring until Luke goes to Dagobah and Cloud City. All that stuff with the Falcon and the Star Destroyers and the Battle of Hoth are boring.It is boring, not terrible. REturn of the JEdi is The BEST!!!!!


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Uh huh.

 

While ESB is my favorite film of the saga, I do admit it is quite slow in some parts (especially the beginning). My favorite part of the movie is the Introduction of Yoda and throughout Luke's training.

 

Exactly, ESB is an absolute masterpiece and in my eyes is still the finest SW film(followed by Episode II).

The slow moments are brilliant for they allow the strength of the story to develop -like in Luke's training scenes.

I still think the fight between Vader and Luke is unbelievable every time I watch it.
Personally ROTJ has some amazing stuff and is also a great film, but it has some major flaws and Lucas admits this.

 

OK ... you have the right to your opinion. But I strongly disagree. It ultimately does not matter whether one's taste places him or her in the minority, but most SW fans, especially those who grew up with the OT, consistently rank TESB as the best of the saga.

I will admit that ROTJ until recently was my least favorite SW film. I can appreciate it more now and can look past its shortcomings to see the good parts. I can also see that TESB is not without its faults. I will not get into ROTJ bashing here (Ewoks, Death Star II, etc.) that are repeated so many times elsewhere and that I engaged in until recently. But overall, if we are going to enagage in the exercise you suggest and compare SW films to each other, TESB is still a notch better than the others in my opinion.

Why, you might ask?

1. Slow and boring to one person are depth and character development to another. ROTJ is more of an action film. It progresses rapidly from Jabba's palace to the space battle and Vader/Luke duel with fairly short interludes to give you a breather and to move along certain plot lines (Luke to Dagobah, Luke telling Leia they are siblings, etc.). ROTJ was four films crammed into one, and it did a decent job of tying up all loose ends. However, TESB offers more insight into the main characters and what makes them tick than either ROTJ or ANH. In ROTJ, we see some of Vader's inner conflict and Luke's determination to bring the good from him, but it is not as fleshed out as in TESB, and none of that is meaningful without TESB. In the opening scrawl of TESB, it becomes apparent that Vader is obssessed with finding Luke. We do not know why but are left to surmise that Vader is bent on destroying the person who blew up Death Star I. We get clues later that Vader is not entirely out to do Luke in, but it is not until the duel at Cloud City that we learn the truth and why Vader is so bent on finding Luke and why he persuades the Emperor to allow him to try turning Luke to the Dark Side instead of killing him. The boring parts you dismiss are a build up to a powerful conclusion that ranks as one of the most memorable movie scenes ever.

Slow does not equate to being bad. Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin is a long song, but it is powerful once it reaches its bridge. It might be boring to teeny boppers used to 3 minute ditties by Britney Spears or nSync, but it all depends on your perspective. Similarly, reading all 3 books of Lord of the Rings is laborious at times, but you invest yourself in the characters, get to know them and care for them, and by the end, you do not want the story to end. It is exactly the same with TESB.

2. The asteroid chase scenes set up the romance between Han and Leia. ANH left us hanging with a love triangle. However, it is clear from the opening scenes of TESB that Han, not Luke, will get the girl. This has consequences that we will discover in ROTJ when it is revealed who the other hope is and that Luke and Leia are twins. I would also disagree that the Battle of Hoth was boring. Seeing the snowspeeders and AT-AT's on the big screen was awesome in 1980, but I am still blown away by it at home.

Ultimately, it is meaningless to compare and contrast one SW film to another. It is fun to discuss the merits of each film to a degree, but the pieces of the story are all interlocking. They depend on each other and are simply chapters in a book.

The bottom line: every SW film is good to me.

 

I'd just like start out by pointing out that the title to this thread makes no sense. I believe you meant to type in always not allows.

Anyway I strongly disagree with you. I don't think the movie is slow or boring at any time. If any of the CT movies are boring it would be ANH at the beginning which is slightly boring.

 

I rank ESB fourth out of five. (Sorry, TPM.) I really do not see why everyone thinks it's so great. It doesn't really pick up until Cloud City...
The love story feels tacked on and irrational...
Hoth takes too darn long...
The whole asteroid field / space slug / broken hyperdrive thing bores me.




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ARGH! No Star Wars movie is the worst, except maybe TPM, and there has been enough debate about that enough.

 

Han's escape from the Empire, while necessary for the movie, is the most boring part of all the SW movies, IMO. I'm glad it's in there, bugt it's something I don't mind skipping over once in awhile. Aside from that, the movie is great, if a little slow at some other parts.


All in all, no one SW movie is much better or much worse than another, to me. It's all one story. Simple as that.

 

My ranking: 5, 2, 6, 1, 4

 

5,2,1,(4+6)

I'm pretty sure III will better II, but can it beat V- I think it can, if only for the scene we have all been waiting for....

 

ROTJ is my ultimate favorite, always has been. I used to hate ESB when I was younger, it was sad and slow, and my least favorite. Now, I have immense respect for it. I think it's probably my second favorite SW film. I think that it is a deep movie, one that grows on you, whcih would explain why sw fans rank it higher than others. Every time I watch ESB I like it more and more. So, in conclusion, go watch ESB every week for a year,a dn by then I am sure it will be your favorite

And yes, the title of the thread is horrendeous But it made me curious, so I clicked it, so I guess it works

 

Thank you Adam Bertocci. I agree boring till Clud City. To everyone else, "To Adam must you listen!!!!!!
I just posted this topic because some posted the Return of the Jedi one.
I do think they are all great films, but some are more great than others(Animal Farm).

 

Well, I like all of them but ESB is def my least favorite so maybe? I only really like the Yoda parts and where Vader tells Luke he's his father.

 

I love TESB, but I must admit that it has not always been my favorite. It's amazing how easily we are influenced when we are young... TESB wasnt my favorite simply because it was my mom's least favorite lol! i think she was kinda grossed out by Luke's hand getting chopped off and didnt like the cliffhanger ending. Anyways, as of a couple years ago, I've discovered the absolute brilliance of this movie! This movie has everything- friendship, loyalty, romance, plot twists, yoda!, the force, excellent light saber battles and lots more! I think my favorite part of this movie is the development and chemistry that builds between the 3 main characters.. they are no longer in it for their own causes, but they begin to care for eachother. Anyways im just rambling so yeah.. I <3 TESB !!

 

Oh, come on. Parody threads in JCC are one thing, but in this forum?

I always thought ESB had a good balance of action scenes and character development throughout, which make it interesting to the majority of fans. Having the battle of Hoth at the beginning of the movie and focusing on first the ground battle and then the pursuit in space instead of cutting back and forth between the two helps a lot. It's distracting how much cutting back and forth there is at the end of RotJ, and it devalues Anakin's redemption as well.

 

Parody thread or not, I think ESB is the best SW movie. It wasn't boring at the beginning--ANH is the one with a dodgy start.

 

TESB is the only original that I can readily fall asleep to. It can be very slow, which is why I usually choose to watch it in the morning.

 

There is no worst movie in Star Wars..they're all great. A movie that isn't a Star Wars movie isn't a bad movie well except any Kevin Smith movie.

 

What depraved individual started this?

***EoA***

 

Meh. It's not my least fav, but it's nowhere near my fav. I feel as though it's the odd one out in the scheme of things.

 

The title of the thread confused me for a while...

Anyway, ESB is still the best SW film for me. Great acting, great pacing, good use of FX. Hell, the ultimate sign that it's good: I can tolerate the ESB SE!

 

Ewoks exciting? Lol, the lightsaber fight in empire was better too. Don't get me started...

 

The ESB duel better than the RotJ duel? The ESB duel wasn't even a duel. It was a massive premeditated game Vader was playing with Luke that didn't even pretend to be a fair fight. Every time Luke did something to make Vader mad, Vader let up his restraint on himself a bit to put Luke back in his place. First it was Luke's clever comeback followed by Vader disarming Luke, then it was Luke's blow that penetrated Vader's armor followed by Vader dishanding Luke.

 

"Will TESB always be the worst movie in Star Wars?"

Nope, it will always be the best movie in Star Wars.