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Will there ever be a book about the First Great Schism?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Matthew78, May 17, 2007.

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  1. Matthew78

    Matthew78 Jedi Knight star 2

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    This would be one hell of a story to tell, Xendor the first Jedi Knight to use the Bogan (Dark Side of the Force) a Kashi Mer that belived that power came not from Meditation but through emotion and eventually broke away from the Jedi Order to found the Legions of Lettow and also started the First Great Schism, he used the dark side to enhance his Jar Kai combat skills and also had a lover Arden Lyn who survived thousands of years after Jedi Master Awdrysta Pina stopped her heart using Mortichro.

    It would be nice to see Xendor become corrupted as the first Dark Jedi and have him defend his viewpoints to the Jedi only to be rejected and then he abandons the Jedi Order and goes to war against it and the Galactic Republic, we have a Novelization about Darth Bane so we should have one about the Dark Underlord of the Sith as well, someone who wasnt even a Sith Lord but actually preceeded them entirely.
     
  2. Sn4tcH

    Sn4tcH Jedi Master star 4

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    I've said it before. I would love a series that is just about the Schisms.
     
  3. Matthew78

    Matthew78 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Well it shouldnt be just about the Schism, it should be about the life of Xendor prior to his departure from the Jedi and the reason why he belived that the Bogan was more powerfull, maybe he tried to control the bogan and use it for good only to become corrupted by it or maybe he lusted after its power and had no higher ideals in mind, the possibilities are endless, Xendor's story is made even better by the fact that there was no one else that had turned to the Dark Side yet except for the Rakata and they werent known about yet then except for local legends on backwater planets.

    The point is that the Schisms are untouched ground that are only briefly mentioned in various sources and telling the story behind the first one would be great, this is set before GAFTS and FOTSE so its uncharted territory as well, anything can happen, one interesting thing i thought about is how did Xendor master Jar Kai when the Lightsabers had power packs? wouldnt the cords attached to the lightsabers get in the way and make it very hard to use it?
     
  4. Rogue_Twelve

    Rogue_Twelve Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I must be pretty out of it; I have no idea who Xendor is.
     
  5. Kaje

    Kaje Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Educate yourself.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Xendor
     
  6. Rogue_Twelve

    Rogue_Twelve Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Ah, of course: Wookiepedia. What was I thinking?
     
  7. Carnage04

    Carnage04 Jedi Knight star 5

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    My thoughts? Eventually. Timeline? 10 years from now if Star Wars is still going strong. Seriously....and this is why.

    Right now, there are a lot of different ACTIVE eras already and it is going to be hard to deviate from them.

    1. LoTF Era (Novels)
    2. Legacy Era (Legacy Comics)
    3. KoToR Era (Comics, possibly a third game some time?)
    4. OT Era (Rebellion Comic Allegiance)
    5. NR Era (Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor)
    6. Purge Era/Empire Era (Dark Times, Death Star Novel, Coruscant Nights)
    7. PT Era/Old Republic (Almost Darth Plagueis.....Darth Bane: POD)
    8. Clone Wars Era (Republic Commando: True Colors)?

    With people wanting holes filled in for....

    1. TDN - LoTF
    2. NJO - TDN
    3. Knights of the Old Republic old school/Knights of the old Republic New school
    4. MORE clone wars.

    With the exception of the Death Star novel, which people are pretty ambivalent about.....Fan response wouldn't be good dropping any of those eras.....even to hit something like the First Great Schism. The Animated and Live action TV shows will create more opportunities for people to want to explore more things. Unless sales of Star Wars material starts to absolutely Skyrocket, I can't see them tacking on a new Era and adding more books/comics into the mix.

    Carnage
     
  8. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I agree. I'd rather see the eras we have fully tackled than to see Xendor try to get stuffed into one book, or to get a standalone trilogy 1000 years from anything else in the timeline that won't get followed up for 10 RL years. If they're going to branch into a new era, it has to be a concerted effort to develop it, not a half-assed attempt to get out "That Darth Ruin book the fans are asking for" and try to close it off at that, thinking that does it for that couple hundred years.
     
  9. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    I am sick of every little bit of timeline not packed full of end of the world scenarios in the life of Luke Skywalker getting treatments. I'd rather see a jump in the timeline after LOTF ends rather than following those characters anymore. I don't care all that much about Ben, Jacen or Jaina, and Luke Han and Leia have reached their pinnacle numerous times. Let's jump forward towards the Sith-Imperial War or something. The stuff that leads up to Legacy. If we do that let's pick up with Ben when he's waay older and the Jedi that he should be. And Kol.

    No more Anakin Skywalker either. Sick of him. His usefulness was the Clone Wars, Galactic Civil War and fulfilling the prophecy. End of story.

    I'm interested in turning back the clock, but turning it back so far as to be before lightsabers seems to me that it won't work too well. Maybe the second great schism would be more interesting, after all THAT's the group of dark Jedi that become the first Dark Lords of the Sith. That, to me, is far more interesting than Xendor and that chick with the oversized robo-arm.
     
  10. Darth_Foo

    Darth_Foo Force Ghost star 4

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    honstly i think that that far in the absolute begining of the timeline should not have a book or comic series. some thing are best left undefined.
     
  11. episodenone

    episodenone Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    i think the most obvious place to cover this era would be the comics.
    there are so many comic creators to enlist -- and if you take marvel / DC for example -- you can have 1 million mini-series about anything.

    that said -- with DH churning out such quality these days -- they probably wouldnt want to give short shrift to any SW era -- and that would spell a lot of devotion to such an undertaking.

    i just dont see del rey having the coconuts to dive in here -- not to mention picking the right author and storyline.

    1 question -- will all the lightsabers have battery packs liek odan urr's? [face_laugh]
     
  12. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    If they won't commission a Katarn book, popular as he is, what makes you think they'd waste Ent trees on some obscure history date?
     
  13. Matthew78

    Matthew78 Jedi Knight star 2

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    They gave Kyle a bunch of books with pictures,video games, a group of Dark Jedi to battle with,an apprentice, a place in the NJO as head battle master, he doesnt really need a feature length novel.

    Darth Bane got one to and hes originally just a Sith Lord that restarted the Sith Order in TPM Novelization, case in point, they make books about Bane why not make one about the Dark Jedi that started everything and paved the way for the future Sith Lords? why not have the old Jedi Order argue about Light and Dark and split in two factions and have it be explained?show the motivations of both groups and what they belive in and prove who is really right and wrong and explain exactly why without question, they could do this in a short story in Star Wars Insider too or an E-Book or Comic but they should flesh out the past a little bit, maybe in the next KOTOR game they'll mention Xendor and his rebellion and why he did what he did, still the story should be told reguardless of the era.

    is there any fan fiction on this site with a story about Xendor BTW?
     
  14. RogueWompRat

    RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Bingo. You don't need to know Xendor's story, if a book is being expanded and hashed out of a line from an Essential chronology book it's just pathetic and unneeded. I'm looking at you, Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor. Continuity porn is what it is.
     
  15. Dark_Faith

    Dark_Faith Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Hey, who ever said porn was bad....[face_whistling]
     
  16. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Normally I'm all for going way back into Star Wars' history but... meh.

    Xendor's era doesn't do it for me, and a full length novel would be cringeworthy. I'd have to put it down the first time someone said "Beware the Bogan" with a straight face. God knows why they canonised those poodoo names Lucas discarded.
     
  17. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    They're actually planning to use the idea from the title of "That 70's Show" and call it "That Darth Ruin Book".
     
  18. Carnage04

    Carnage04 Jedi Knight star 5

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    The thing is....Darth Bane had way more of an impact on the overall story....both going back and going forward. An explanation of how the Sith went from legions of Dark Side users of varying power to a VERY strict "Only two there are" philosophy.

    Xendor pretty much sounds like he got his kicks from force choking puppies and kittens and the Jedi didn't approve. He was just a bad apple and was exile from the Jedi. The motivations appear clear to me.

    Although, if they can publish a great book or comic series based on it without hurting any of the current stuff, I would buy it.

    Carnage
     
  19. jSarek

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    Bah. Just because a line appears in the Essential Chronology, the story will be pathetic and unneeded?

    If there's a good story to be told, then it should be told, even if it happens to also be convenient for continuity. If there's NOT a good story to be told, then it shouldn't be told, even if there's no trace of it in the Essential Chronologies.

    Shadows of Mindor is ripe with storytelling possibility, and it would be a shame not to see that story because someone labeled it with the stigma of "continuity porn."

    Xendor, on the other hand, gets a "meh" from me. A good author could definitely run with some of its elements and find a worthwhile story in it, but there aren't the same inherent hooks that Mindor has.
     
  20. Carnage04

    Carnage04 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Everyone needs to keep from bashing Mindor. If Del Rey decided that Mindor was a book that might not need to be written I might go berzerk. ;) I was pretty excited about Darth Plagueis and that is gone.....now we have a Luke Skywalker novel written by Matt Stover dangling in front of our faces. If that got swiped I would go all Dark Side on my book shelf I think.

    Seriously, I've recently reread Shatterpoint and Traitor. Wowzers. I really really like Stover. I think if he came out with "Luke Skywalker and the Smell of his Sweat Socks" I would be stoked.


    Carnage
     
  21. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    Seriously, though, you weren't going to be reading Plagueis. Anymore than you read Yoda or Vader in their specifically prefix-titled novels. It would have been more a Jinn book than apprentice Sidious. Fascinating, really, why they'd give you the potential and not the real thing. Americans expression that as the real McCoy, do they not? Strange folk!

    I actually wouldn't mind a Xendor book, something fresh away from those stinking movie faces each time. But its vast past must reflect it, and I fear you'd get antiquated tech; not to mention light vs night side isn't a book you haven't already seen before.
     
  22. JediAlly

    JediAlly Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I, for one, wouldn't mind. I know it was mentioned in the Essential Chronology, but so was Darth Bane, and a novel was written about him. So why shouldn't there be a novel about this conflict.
     
  23. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    I would certainly like to see one.

    one.

    The problem right now is this "series" thinking...and thus, you have to have a prolonged timeline and story arc...the easiest way to do that is by following the actions and growth of the established characters...and no doubt that is where the money is made.

    I would much prefer authors to write stand alones from eras ALL OVER the chronology. I'd like to see First Schism...Rakatan Empire...Establishment of the Republic...a story about hyperdrive, and how a bunch of worlds learned to make it work about the same time, and the establishment of the colonies...I'd love a founding of Coruscant book...I'd like a KOTOR novel...I'd like a novel about the Nagai-Tof Wars...and on and on.

    But to get them...it means convincing the publisher at the time and LFL that they can make money by spreading their wings and letting authors go to the winds and write stories from any where. Which means buying books like "Bane" and "Death Star" and books outside the series AND that don't have the name "Zahn" on them. Until they can capture numbers on individual books the way they can with consistent series sales...the "broader" exploration of the timeline will be limited in much the same fashion as it has been.

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    I'd even be alright with Traviss writing a novel about the origins and early history of the Mandos.
     
  24. Darth_Shpydar

    Darth_Shpydar Jedi Knight star 4

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    I would love to see on ongoing novel series that would cover multiple eras, characters, etc. The series could be something like "Untold Tales of the SW Universe" (except a much cooler and catchier name :) ), and could include a one-shot novels covering the whole gamut of the galaxy -- the Rakatans, Xendor, the Schisms, etc etc etc.

    Yeah, i know it's unlikely. But at least a series-type framework could make it more likely that some of the "random" stories in the GFFA may get told.
     
  25. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Screw a series. If they're one-shots, just let them be one-shots, eh?
     
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