Would have making Anakin a "Master" stopped him from joining the Dark Side?

As far as I am concerned, Yoda and the council are to blame for not granting Anakin the title of "Master JedI". That was a slap in the face

 

It wouldnt have mattered.

Anakin was seduced by Palpatine and p**** whipped by Padme...his decision was inevitable.

 

Anakin didn't deserve to be a Master yet. He wasn't disiplined enough to accept such an important title.

And no, it wouldn't have stopped Anakin from turning to the darkside. His motivations in turning were far more complicated than a mere title.

 

It wasn't really about being a Master. It was about having the power to keep his loved ones. The Jedi wouldn't give it to him, so he turned to the Sith Lord who would, in exchange for his loyalty.

 

"Master" Jedi are overrated anyway. With the exception of Yoda, they all got smoked by a bunch of clones. Kenobi only got away b/c of the quick moves of his lizard steed.

 

not being given the title was the straw that broke the camel's back. i think with the title and a little more mentoring from kenobi, it could have been overted. anakin was kenobi's responsibility, bottom line. just like they say, "there's no such thing as a bad soldier, just bad leaders."

 

Some of the blame can go to Obi-Wan but not all of it and besides Anakin wasn't ready to become a Master. Obi-Wan encouraged Anakin before he left to fight GG.

 

But, according to the novel, he wanted the title Master because it would give him access to the Holocrons in the Archive where he thought he could find the power he wanted. Part of the purpose behind the purge of the temple was to basically take ownership of the entire Archives to search for the power he was seeking.

The purpose of the purge was multifaceted: 1. Kill all enemies of the Empire. 2. Take control of the archives and gain access to holocrons that were previously denied. 3. Pick up some "Evil Brownie Points" for ruthlessness along the way.

When you put all of these goals together, you see the path that Sidious is laying out for Darth Vader in order to increase in power enough to save Padme. The brilliance of this plan is that Sidious was giving Darth Vader plenty to get lost in along the way...and of course he does: Once he starts down this dark path, his greed for more and more power consumes him and he begins to forget the reason he originally started in this direction. When Padme confronts him, he is so consumed by greed that he has forgotten that saving her was his goal, now she is just looking like someone who's trying to get in the way.

Although the simple act of giving Anakin the title he wanted wasn't going to stop entirely the course of events that was leading Anakin down a primrose path to destruction, it certainly would have taken the wind out of Palpatine's sails for the Jedi to actually show faith in their golden boy. After all that Anakin had done in the Clone Wars, saving Obi Wan and other Master Jedi's lives a number of times...it makes sense that Anakin would feel he deserves appropriate recognition instead of secret plannings and double-speak to reinforce the doubts that Palpatine was planting inside him. At the very least, perhaps the Jedi Counsel would have been wise to simply acknowledge that Anakin was indeed a Master in many respects: He was a Masterful Pilot and posessed saber skills to rival Masters Yoda and Windu...really, he didn't have much left to learn except patience.

Personally, I really hate it when your teacher is trying to teach you something but wont tell you what it is....It just makes me wanna scream, "What?!? ARe you just trying to teach me PATIENCE?!?! AAARGHH!" Yup, that's it: patience.

 

Yes but Anakin wasn't ready mentally to become a Master and to become a master doesn't the Jedi had to have already successfully trained a Padawan.

 

Like Vader says in ANH, "I'm the Master now!" You won't make me a master? I'll destroy you and make myself master. Of everything! That's what you call a proactive attitude. Vader should have his own infomercial and self-help program. That, or a reality show, "Being Sith".

 

My answer to the thread/question is: maybe...

It's wounded pride that angered Anakin when he was not made "Master". Therefore, he is already too far gone to have been retrieved by just adding "Master" before his name. Heck, it might even have made things worse. A good jedi would have swallowed it and worked harder.

However, it WAS another "proof" that the Jedi council "hated" him and "held him back". It fueled his delusion of persecution, and just drove him a little closer to Palpatine, who was feeding those flames like nobody's business! Therefore, IF he had been made a Master, what could Palpatine have invented to make it worthless/vexing to Anakin? There would have been a very slight opening of the door to take him back to the Right Side. But ever so slight.

 

NO, because making Anakin a master only would have fed right into his ego and made him more arrogant. After the title of Master, he would want to be Head of the Order(A tile which according to the book Dark Rendezvous belongs to Master Yoda). I do not believe that Anakin's mad lust for hunger could have ever been satisfied. It is almost like when Europe appeased Hitler by giving him half of Czechoslavakia(sp?). European leaders thought that by giving Hitler what he demanded he would be satisfied and stop. The Jedi, though, did not follow that route and stopped Anakin at a representative seat on the coucil....sort of. Besides all of that, Anakin in no way deserved a seat on the counil, he was not intellectually ready, he lacked the proper wisdom, poise, understanding, and temperament for the prestigious rank of Master. Hope thats all clear.

*~*Ti*~*

 

"Yoda and the council are to blame ."

No way dude, Anakin was not patient, he was soooooo lucky to be on the Council at his age. I still can't believe he complained .

 

heres how i see it

Even if anakin was ranked master. he still woulda turned to the dark side. he is young and gullible. he was unstable. and he wasnt disciplined enough anyway. palpy was able to talk him into turning to the dark side a stable master would have killed palpys ass. anakin was ready for a big responsibility. he was centering everything on himself. he joined the darkside for padme' onli becuz he thought he coulda save her from dying. like palpy told him. he joined the darkside becuz he thought the jedi were against him. betraying him. brushing him off. he was tryin to give them a piece of their own medicine. as it was in his eyes. but really they were doin wat was best for him. anakin was selfish and full of anger. hate. these lead to the dark side just as yoda said in tpm. anakin joined the darkside becuz of this. being ranked master would not have changed his fate. it may have changed a few reasons why he joined the darkside. but it wouldnt have prevented it. so if u add those things together plus palpy seducing him this is what led him to the darkside. sure he was mad at the jedi for not rankin him master. but it wouldnt have changed his fate. mad/anger led to hatred he hated the jedi led to suffering loosing all his limbs and eventually he was led to the darkside. its as simple as that

 

NO, I think Anakin's fall to the dark side was imenent.

Good stuff

 

Depends on whether on to he found substantial info in the Archives... If not, it wouldve turned out the same

 

Even if he was a master and had access to the files he wouldnt have found anything then would have to go back to Palpatine to find out the secret. Movie would be much longer

 

No.

Anakin was acting like a spoiled brat, and if the counsel were to pacify him with Mastership, that would have made him all the more incorrigible for whatever the next thing was that he felt entitled to. If person A gets mad because person B is withholding something that person A is not entitled to, you cannot blame person B for person A's actions.

 

lol that was funny . I think it would have made a difference cause then he could find out the secrets without Palpy's help.

 

But do the Jedi know how to keep someone alive?
Obi-Wan didn't. He could not keep Qui-Gon alive.
Yoda nor Mace has ever mentioned it.
I have read many EU books and I do not recall that the Jedi are aware of how to keep one alive.
Does anyone know if its true?
Or is Anakin just assuming that the Jedi would know???

*~*Ti*~*

 

No but the Jedi have Sith Holocrons and only Masters have the access to the holocrons. So maybe their was something in the holocrons that he could have figured out.

 

Yes, I do think I remember hearing that.
Is that not how Dooku first began his infatuation with the Dark Side, he had seen a Sith Holocron?

Well, at least Anakin was still thinking of Pamde during the temple raid.

*~*Ti*~*

 

Yep that's how Dooku's friend got kicked out when he was a padawan because he stole a sith holocron and only master's were suppossed to have them.

 

Even IF granting Anakin the rank of "Master" would have stopped him from joining the Dark Side....I don't think the Jedi should have given it to him. He clearly hadn't earned it yet, as demonstrated by his little temper-tantrum before the Council.

 

No. If Anakin was granted Master it wouldn't have stopped him intead it would allow him to misuse the rank and plus only Jedi Masters can gain access to the holocrons etc. Like in the game.