Would Padme have died if Obi-Wan hadn't snuck on board her ship?

A lot of things were done in RotS by the Jedi in the name of justice and the good of all. The Jedi ask Anakin to spy on Supreme Chancellor Palpatine; The Jedi discuss a plot to overthrow Palpatine; Mace tries to execute the unarmed Chancellor instead of putting him on trial; Obiwan tells Padme that he is about to kill her husband & the father of her child...
It seems that the Jedi have decided to take matters in their own hands for the good of all despite the consequences that may occur.

What was Obiwan thinking when he stowed away on Padme's ship? What would have happened if he hadn't of snuck on board and confronted Anakin? Anakin and Padme were having a heated arguement, but would it have escalated to the same degree (Anakin choking Padme) if Obiwan DIDN'T show up on Mustafar? Obiwan sneaking on board Padme's ship is a pretty underhanded and devious trick even for a Jedi. He must have realized what the outcome could be if he showed up to a marital arguement. It's almost the same as if you went home early to your wife, got into a little tiff about something and all of a sudden your best friend walks out of the bedroom closet in his underwear. Any man would be pissed and confused no matter how much his wife tried to explain things, let alone a crazed Anakin posessed by the darkside.

So, would Padme have been fatally choked if Obiwan didn't sneak on board her ship? Maybe he should have at least confronted her again when she landed but before she opened the hatch and ran to Anakin? Didn't he think that his presence on the ship might just make problems worse? If he's really "the negotiator" couldn't he have told her that when she landed he would sneak out of her ship and if she ever felt that she was in real danger that she should do some acting and tell Anakin that she would wait for him back at Coruscant and let Obiwan deal with it from there? There are a lot of better ways Obiwan could have dealt with the situation than just standing there in the doorway of the ship and making it look like Padme and him really were sneaking around behind Anakin's back.

Ironically, Anakin probably blames Obiwan completely for Padme's death and thinks about it for the next 20 years until they meet again. Would things have been different if Obiwan didn't sneak on board Padme's ship or if he worked out a safety plan for her?

 

- Padme knows Obi-Wan would have to fight Anakin, she knows what Anakin did to the Jedi Order. She would never want them to fight; she made that abundantly clear.
- Anakin is not about to just let Padme walk away from "his Empire", nor is he about to let her talk him into converting again; he made that abundantly clear.
- Obi-Wan will face Anakin; he made that abundantly clear.

I really fail to see any "better" scenario; the best would've been for Padme to stay the hell away from Anakin and tell Obi-Wan where he was. Think about others (most importantly; her child) instead of herself. Instead she blatantly lies, about Anakin not being able to kill children and about his whereabouts, which is out of her character. She's acting emotionally instead of rationally.

Obi-Wan's not the one who made a mistake here; Padme is.

- O_F

 

there are 2 options to this.

1- finally anakin comes to his senses and actually listens to her.

2- he get really angry and with no obi wan to stop him he goes all the way and kills her.

i say 50/50

but i agree it was a very stupid move to make,his reasons are understanable anakin was a sith and he had to die but to risk an inocent life just to find him....not jedi like.

but we cant blame all the incident on obi wan,it was 70 % anakin's fault for turning to the dark side of the force.

but i agree he should have known better that to get between a marital discussion,especially if the husband is a sith lord

but remember the most important fact of all: even if a lot of fans dont like it she DID die simply because she didnt want to live anymore,the choke had little to nothing to do with her death.

 

How is Obi-Wan risking her life? He asked her where Anakin was, she lied to him. She's the one who's going out to see a Sith Lord; and she's the one that tried her best to make sure Obi-Wan wouldn't even be there.

She's risking her own life; Obi-Wan tried avoiding that, but she made sure he couldn't. She's a grown woman, not some ignorant child. She's responsible for her own choices and we should hold her responsible. It's the same with Obi, with all that we know of the story - he would've been risking her life if he hadn't gotten on that ship; if he had let her go off to Mustafarrrrrrrrrrrrrr on her own.

- O_F

 

She's risking her own life; Obi-Wan tried avoiding that, but she made sure he couldn't. She's a grown woman, not some ignorant child. She's responsible for her own choices and we should hold her responsible. It's the same with Obi, with all that we know of the story - he would've been risking her life if he hadn't gotten on that ship; if he had let her go off to Mustafarrrrrrrrrrrrrr on her own.


you should hold her responsible.from my POV obi wan will forever be responsible.

 

I wouldn't make such a blatant statement. Is parent totally innocent if they read their teenager's diary in order to do what's best? No. Obiwan was at fault, not as much as Padme, but he still did something that was dishonourable and just plain dangerous to her.

Again, what could he have done better? He could have stopped her once they landed BEFORE she ran out of the ship to see Anakin and worked out a safety plan. He should have told her that he if she realized that what he's told her is true and Anakin had gone to the darkside, that she should put on a pretty "political" face and tell him that she will wait for him back at Coruscant and get the **** out of there right away. Instead, he made it look like the scenario I've stated above and he just walked out of the bedroom closet in his underwear while she was making the bed. BAAAAD move. It's dangerous trying that kind of thing with a sane man. It's absolutely deadly trying it with a psycopathic killer. Obiwan had a lot of time to think in that storage space on the way to Mustafar. Making it look like a love triangle was the worst way to handle it. Again, it's strange that he's called "The negotiator" when there were much better ways to deal with the situation.

 

Perhaps it looks like a love triangle to you, but Anakin didn't seem to take it that way. His words were that Padme brought Obi-Wan there to kill him, which was why he went off on her. He never implied anything beyond that (at least from my viewing of the movie).

I think that Anakin would have killed her no matter what. Her options were to either join Anakin or leave him. She certainly wouldn't join him & he certainly wouldn't let her leave (just witness his tantrum to Obi-Wan after choking her).

It would have been an impasse & Anakin would have won.

 

He's risking her life because he has more revalation of the situation than she has. It's not about her being an adult or even decision making. It's about understanding the truth. At this moment it's Obiwan's words against Padme's husband's words. Did Obiwan actually BRING a copy of the security tapes and show her the truth of it all as Anakin cuts younglings in half? No. He tries to convince her with his side of the story against Anakin's. Padme is caught in the middle because she doesn't have the same revelation of the truth as Obiwan did when he watched the security tapes. THAT would have convinced her flat out.

It's the same scenario as if you knew that if you grab onto a high voltage power line that you'll get electrecuted and yet your friend didn't know this. You know because you've seen a video of a person frying himself by grabbing onto a powerline. Now you tell your friend that this will happen when you grab onto a powerline but she says that she was told that nothing will happen and she would be fine. Again, WHO would be responsible if she grabs onto that powerline and gets electrocuted? Her for the most part, but you would be partially to blame as well because you have an added clear revelation of the real truth in the matter.

Obiwan should have worked out a safety scenario with her before hand incase she realised that he was telling the truth. Instead, Obiwan uses her as a pawn in order to find Anakin by sneaking on board her ship. Even worse, he makes it look like the two of them have been sneaking around behind Anakin's back for some time. He put her and the baby's life at risk for information of where Anakin was even when he had a greater revelation of the truth of it all.

 

Perhaps it looks like a love triangle to you, but Anakin didn't seem to take it that way. His words were that Padme brought Obi-Wan there to kill him, which was why he went off on her. He never implied anything beyond that (at least from my viewing of the movie).



i agree.there was an scene that was edited out where palps told anakin that obi was unfit to go to utapau because he had been influenced by a female senator.now if that scene had made the movie it would be obvious that a love triangle would be implied by the scene didnt make the movie(according to the original script it was after padme and the delegation of the 2000 left palps office and as far as i know the scene is suposed to be on the disc 2 of the DVD)

 

I think that Anakin would have killed her no matter what. Her options were to either join Anakin or leave him. She certainly wouldn't join him & he certainly wouldn't let her leave (just witness his tantrum to Obi-Wan after choking her).

amen to that too.a wise writer you are.

 

If Obi-wan hadn't been there, Anakin might have choked Padme or done worse, to keep her from leaving him. Anakin's too far gone to listen to Padme and would eventually exert his control over her. Punishing her for betraying him.

 

It's still a "love triangle". Not a "sex triangle", but a triangle of differing opinions. She was believing Obiwan over Anakin and Anakin viewed it as a betrayal of his love for her.

Again, why couldn't Obiwan and Padme have worked out a safety scenario. If she feels threated and sees the truth of it all, she should just agree with him and what he's doing and say that she'll go back to Coruscant and wait in her apartment for him. Even better, Obiwan could have confronted her before she left the ship and told her to wait in the ship and just listen as he went to talk to him. This way, she would hear everything for herself and yet remain safely on board and fly the ship out of there. There's better ways then just showing up in a heated arguement and putting a pregnant woman at risk in the hands of a psycotic killer.

 

It's still a "love triangle". Not a "sex triangle", but a triangle of differing opinions. She was believing Obiwan over Anakin and Anakin viewed it as a betrayal of his love for her.



is not a love triangle.maybe a mistrust triangle,maybe a misplaced confidence triangle but when you say love triangle an affair is implied and in the movie that wasnt there.

 

"The Jedi turned against me, don't you turn against me"

 

Padme was in danger either way. I agree with Obi_Frans here. This was Padme's mistake because she was thinking emotionally instead of rationally. The reason I can't solely blame her because she did it for love. It was a mistake, but a mistake I can totally understand.

Anakin, Obi-Wan there or not, was not about to let Padme walk away from him. Could Padme talked some sense into him if he hadn't seen Obi-Wan? For a while, I thought she could but he was too crazed by then with power. It wasn't going to happen. And, she realized it too late.

Either way, the whole damn situation is tragic. Padme didn't deserve what she got.

 

Yes, but that's not the point. The point is that Obiwan KNEW that Anakin was too fargone and had to be stopped, yet he WILLFULLY let her run out of the ship and confront her psychotic child killing husband BY HER SELF! It's the same as telling a pregnant woman coming home from a vacation that her husband is drunk and in a rage at home and then willfully standing on the street while you watch her go into the house ALONE! Obiwan should have dealt with Anakin, he was his MASTER. Padme should have never been alowed to leave the ship and yet Obiwan sent her out like a child to a pedophile. He used a pregnant woman as a pawn with a wire just so he could listen in. He saw Anakin killing children, for crying out loud! Why would he think that Padme would be safe to go out and talk to him?

 

I can see Sand-Crawler's argument. Obi-Wan should've gotten off the ship before Padme. Anakin still would've looked at it as turning against him once Padme did show up on the scene. Knowing Padme, if Obi-Wan and Anakin started going at it, she would've tried to get in the middle and probably would've been hurt that way.

 

Padme should have never been alowed to leave the ship and yet Obiwan sent her out like a child to a pedophile.

obi wan didnt sent her,he had warned that little ani was a child murderer adn yet she chose not to heed his words and went to him.padme was 27 she knew that the sith were evil,you cant blame obi for "sending" her to anakin.

 

Yes, but Obi-Wan knew that Padme would go to Anakin as he was leaving that Verandah. Let's give Obi-Wan some intelligence here.

 

No, he hid in the cubicle/bathroom as she ran down the ramp and out of the ship. He willfully ALLOWED her to go to a child killing psycopath. He did the WRONG thing. It was not the Jedi way. He should have confronted her AGAIN on her ship at Mustafar BEFORE she went out. He already got the information from her. He alreay let her lead him to Anakin. What he should have done now was protect her and at the most have himself and Padme confront Anakin together...for her safety. Again, he's seen him killing CHILDREN and yet he let her run out to him alone.

 

He didn't know if she walked off the ship or not. He just knew that the skiff had landed and he had to wait to be sure she didn't know if he was on board or not. Otherwise she'd take off to protect Anakin.

 

Just a thought here.....about this "Jedi way" thing. Seeing as how the only Jedi we've seen are the ones in the PT...how can we say this is not the Jedi way? Your acting like we have something to actually base these accusations on. Anakin used Padme for bait in AOTC ....right?
PLUS...ObiWan fully intended to protect her...and it wouldn't hurt if she could see Anakin face to face and learn the truth for herself.
Obi Wan had to find Anakin...there where bigger things at stake here than Padme.
Besides...didn't Obi Wan get the idea of where to look for Anakin from Yoda? Does the fault extend to him too?
LOL...geez man...everything was the jedi's fault.

 

I totally disagree. He would have known when they came out of hyperspace. He would have known which planet they were at. And the issue here is NOT that he would be concearned that she would take off to protect Anakin, the issue is that he knew that Anakin was a childkiller and yet he let her go to him...ALONE. Again, if he was "The Negotiator" he would have told her that he wouldn't do anything and they both would just go out and talk to Anakin together. If Anakin was OK and the security tape that he saw was a mistake, fine. Instead, he deliberately put her in harms way. It makes the line "Only a Sith deal in absolutes" such a joke because Anakin should have said "Only a Jedi uses a pregnant woman as a pawn."

 

Ultimately, the only one who is responsible for choking Padme
is Anakin. Why some find the need to explain his atrocities
away I'll never know.

 

Then I guess Mace, Anakin & Palpatine were caught up in a love triangle, too... if it's just a matter of differing opinions.

I think we're just mincing words here... but anyway

What reason would Obi-Wan have to work out a safety plan beforehand? I understand where you're going with this - the "responsible" thing, from one point of view, would have been to not put Padme in any more danger than she was already in.

I don't beleive that Obi-Wan made the situation any worse, though. Padme sealed her fate by getting on the ship & going to Mustafar. She was dead from the moment she took off.

Obi-Wan & Yoda had a mission - to put down the Sith & save the jedi order. Obi-Wan went to Padme for her help & she refused. He knew her well enough to know that she'd rush off to find Anakin and that she would unwittingly lead him to Anakin, as well. Had he gotten out of the compartment on the way to Mustafar, she would have never taken him there. Likewise, had he confronted her before she got off the ship, she would have most likely tried to do something to prevent him from confronting Anakin. Remember - Padme was still firmly in Anakin's camp until he started talking about them ruling the galaxy. Only then did she realize that Obi-Wan was right. By then, it was too late.

I think Obi-Wan did what he had to do. I don't fault him for her death. In AOTC, she knew that their relationship would lead to a dark place - she even said as much during the fireplace scene. She made her bed & now she's lying in it. It wasn't Obi-Wans fault.