Yoda: Most arrogant jedi??

If we exclude Anakin from the jedi, is Yoda the most arrogant??

From his "Surprised?" line in ROTS or his "Much to learn you still have" in AOTC, I think Yoda is the most arrogant.

Thoughts??

 

I think it is very quite possible... Qui-Gon taught him things he'd been too arogant to see.

 

I was quite surprised when Yoda looked so confident that he could beat Sidious, and still he didn't.

 

Yea, i mean i dont blame him for being arrogant, i would be too

 

nope, Mace Windu, if he'd taken Anakin with him they would have worked together to fight Sids, they may still have lost(because sids wasn't trying against Mace).

 

I agree- Mace is more arrogant than Yoda. Mace didn't bring Anakin with him to fight Sidious (and he really should have brought Yoda with him). Instead, his posse gets wiped out in ten seconds, and Sidious, after having his saber pointed at Mace's chest midway through the fight, lets Mace win when he senses Anakin arriving.

 

Yes, he is as were all the other Jedi.

 

No.

Mace didn't want Anakin to come to defeat Sidious, because he knew of their good friendship, and he felt that it would be to dangerous, and in the end he was right. And he lets Mace win? I don't think so... through basically the whole duel Mace was on top of him.

 

yea i dont find mace arrogant

 

Those of you who know me know that for the most part I agree that the Jedi of the PT era are flawed and arrogant, that said...

Was Yoda slightly arrogant, yes(as nearly all the Jedi in the PT are), but considering that for the past 900 years(give or take his days as a padawan) he has been at the top of his game I think that he hass earned the right to be a little arrogant. He most certainly is no where near close to being the most arrogant of the Jedi however, and I agree from what we've seen thus far that that falls into Mace Windu's category.

Personally, despite his faults, I regard him with a great deal of respect and think that he was very much coming to understand things by the time the clone wars rolled around.

In TPM he expressed to Obi-wan that he could see vestiges of Qui-gon's defiance in him and that they were not atributes he needed. However, at the same time during the council meeting:

QUI-GON:...my only conclusion can be that it was a Sith Lord.

KI-ADI : Impossible! The Sith have been extinct for a millenium.

MACE WINDU : I do not believe they could have returned without us knowing.

YODA : Ahh, Hard to see, the dark side is.

Who amongst all the Jedi on the council was the first one to back up Qui-gon. Was it silent Plo Koon whom Qui-gon was "supposedly" friends with according to the EU? No. It was Yoda. Mace Windu expresses disbelief that any thing could happen outside of their line of vision, much like Jocasta Nu's poignant statement of "If an item does not appear in our records, it does not exist!"
Yoda is the one amongst the council who admits and expresses to the others that they are not omniscient, and cannot pretend to know everything.

Then, if you recall that very telling sequence in AOTC:

OBI-WAN: But he still has much to learn, Master. His
abilities have made him...well, arrogant.

YODA: Yes, yes. It's a flaw more and more common among
Jedi. Too sure of themselves they are. Even the older, more
experienced ones.

Yoda has realized at this point that in fact the Jedi trully are flawed. He is not yet able to understand why or how this might be corrected but he has come to understand that there is something wrong with the order.

Then, concerning the battle with Emperor, I know a lot of people call him arrogant for waltzing right into the Emperor's chambers but let me explain his case, it's because of his training. As a Jedi he has been trained to act in a certain way, and since the Jedi share the majority of their attributes I think a Quote from the Hagakure will explain his situation,

"When one has made a decision to kill a person, even if it will be very difficult to succeed by advancing straight ahead, it will not do to think about going at it in a long roundabout way. One's heart may slacken, he may miss his chance, and by and large there will be no success. The Way of the Samurai is one of immediacy, and it is best to dash in headlong."
-Yamamoto Tsunetomo

Do no interperet this as suggesting that patience should simply be thrown to the wind. It simply explains that when the decision has ultimately been made, after patient and clear thought, it is best to make a quick and decisive action. It was his duty to face the Emperor. He could not simply walk away when he knew that of all the beings in the universe he had the greatest chance to defeat the Emporer, and he also knew that Obi-wan would simply slow him if he came with him. He knew that he had to engage the Emperor one on one, and so he met and fought him on his own terms.

 

i agree with Sepharih

 

No he didn't. That is fan speculation (flawed speculation, at that), nothing more.

 

No, in star wars homing beacon, it says that there was a cut scene with Qui-Gon teaching Yoda things about the Force Yoda had been to arogant to see.

 

I don't think it's that Yoda was so confident that
he could beat him... I think he was confident that
he could face. His lines? I think he was just
talking s to get into Palpy's head and shake him.
It worked.
Yoda didn't kill him, but Yoda did a job.

 

I dont know about Homing Beacon; is it an official publication, or another fan-speculation article?
And if there were cut scenes, are they on the ROTS DVD? If not, does the article explain why not?

As far as I know, Liam Neeson would have had no time to dedicate to cut scenes for ROTS; he was very busy filming in Batman Begins.
And if he did have time, cut scenes are not necessarily part of the story. Why do I say this? Because "Qui-Gon teaches Yoda" does not appear in the ROTS novel. There is no mention of it in any Character Guide.
Yoda is a 900 year-old Jedi Master. In those 900 years, he has seen many of his friends and allies die. Qui-Gon was hardly the first to appear as a "Force-ghost." It is extremely unlikely that he was the first Force-ghost that Yoda conversed with. And the fact that a 40-something Jedi can teach a 900-year old Jedi in the ways of the Force is an impossibility.
If Qui-Gon did appear, then it was with an "I told you so" rant, not a lecture.

 

All are arrogant in some way, including Yoda. When he faced Dooku and Palpatine he was certain the light was more powerful than the Dark, he fought Palpatine and lost because of this arrogant belief of his.

 

"Qui-Gon teaches Yoda" does not appear in the ROTS novel.

It does not actually show the training but it is established that Yoda bows down to Qui-gons greater wisdom and understanding of the force, and that he has come to recognize his own ignorance concerning certain things, and that Qui-gon will instruct him in the way of the living force.

YODA: Your apprentice I gratefully become.

It doesn't get more straightforward than that.

Qui-Gon was hardly the first to appear as a "Force-ghost." It is extremely unlikely that he was the first Force-ghost that Yoda conversed with.

He was indeed, at least in Star Wars canon. Do you recall Obi-wan's reaction that his master was alive, or what about when Obi-wan disapeared and vader stepped on his clothing to see what had happen. Qui-gon may not have been the first to have actually performed the feat(this is backed up by his explination that a "shaman of the wills" also performed the feat, but as to who or what that is we can only speculate), however, Qui-gon certainly seems to be the first whom the Jedi have been exposed too, at least in a very long time.
Again i'm not suggesting that he is the very first force user to have EVER become one with the force, I highly doubt that, but the reaction to it seems conclusive enough to prove that he is the first amongst the Jedi of the PT era.

And the fact that a 40-something Jedi can teach a 900-year old Jedi in the ways of the Force is an impossibility.

There is a difference between knowledge and wisdom my friend. Yoda, in his time, has probably seen more than Qui-gon could have possibly seen in his years, but for all that information, for all that knowledge, he has not understood it as Qui-gon has.
Besides, it is stated by Yoda in the novel that "Too old I was, too rigid. Too arrogant to see that the old way is not the only way." and in AOTC, "Truly wonderful the mind of a child is." Yoda needed to unlearn what he had learned.

If Qui-Gon did appear, then it was with an "I told you so" rant, not a lecture.

A Jedi of Qui-gon's standing and wisdom would not "rant" in the sense of you describe it. In fact, in the scene, it is Yoda who finds himself in despair, and Qui-gon who provides a comforting and helping hand, and the path to greater wisdom.

 

Yoda becomes his apprentice when Qui-Gon teaches him the path to immortality.

 

Dooku did have things to learn he obviously couldn`t handle his emotions because he joined the Sith.

The surprised line makes sense.

Yoda is 900 years old and the most talented Jedi.

I`d say Mace and Obi-Wan are far more arrogant than Yoda

 

Personally I think there is a huge difference between confidence and arrogance.

 

Yoda-little boring, old, Jedi who can't say right sentence.

 

Strilo made the comment

He is correct but Yoda's confidence in the light side caused him arrogance in the form of over confidence.

 

Leave Yoda alone... after all he's just human!

 

Yoda did make the biggest mistake by letting Anakin to be trained by Obi-Wan. He should have trained him, he probably thought that he was too good to train that boy.