Yoda senses darkside in Dooku but not Palpatine!

Why ?

 

Because he saw Dooku firsthand using force lightning and throw against him, his old friend and mentor.

That's why.

(Plus Dooku dropped his Kaibbur Crystal in the Arena )

/me runs

 

Because sidious is the sith ****..the dark side clouds everything and sidious has a great way of hiding it. dooku let his hate flow and yoda felt it easier.

 

Or perhaps it is because for the first time in the movie, Yoda is without a certain someone by his side. Someone who is beside him at all times when Palpy is around. Someone who has been rumored to be using his force powers to affect the "shroud" that Yoda is constantly sensing.

Yoda is for the first time, free from MACE!

 

2 reasons:

1. Its obvious where Dooku's loyalty lies after their grudge match

2. Palpy is that good/strong in the darkside of the Force. Nobody can sense him...not even Yoda.

 

That is perhaps the worst explanation I've ever heard, "he's so good, he can't be sensed"? Oh please!

The better he is, the more hate he has, thus the easier it is to sense. The Dark Side becomes more powerful as it is fuelled by hate and anger. Of course, because of this, GL has made a major mistake adn dug himself into a little hole. Episode 3 may give an answer to this mystery but I really hope it isn't related to this silly "shroud".

The other side of the coin sees Palpatine not that proficient in the force, his power comes from his knowledge rather than his mastery. That way there's no hate and anger to sense. But that idea is rubbish as you can imagine.

LOL, the mystery continues...

 

1. DOOKU SHOOTS LIGHTING AT YODA!

2. Dooku was Yoda's apprentice. I'm sure Yoda knows exactly how Dooku's force presence feels. He could sense the changes in him while fighting him.

3. Dooku just carved up OB1 and Anakin. I'm sure thats not standard practice around the Jedi Temple offices.

 

There's a simple explanation here: Dooku actually uses the Force in Yoda's presence, specifically the dark side of the Force. Palpatine does not.

 

LOL @ JediMasterEllic_Kier, loved those points.

As for the other poster;


The better he is, the more hate he has, thus the easier it is to sense. The Dark Side becomes more powerful as it is fuelled by hate and anger.


It is clear in the movies that people who join the dark side have more powers than Jedi (force lightining, choking) and that the Emperor has full mastery of the Dark Side. If the Dark Side lets him see the future more clearly than even Yoda, it's no surprise they can't sense him. Whoever, note the look Yoda gives Palps in AOTC, so he may be sensing something but not enough.

However, the best expliantion is provided by JediMasterEllic. It doesn't take a Jedi Master to tell what side of the team Dooku is on.

 

Dooku as nothing to hide, he already did what he wanted or was told to do, but I do see him betraying Palps in E3.

 

you guys forget that dooku is the leader of a political secessionist movement, and not a terrorist organization?? he's not like bin Laden, an enemy of the state who the U.S. would shoot in the head the moment they see him. but more along the lines of that southern general during the American Civil War, what was his name.

Anyway, my point is:

Before ep.2, there must have been a period when Dooku actively got involved in politics in order to draw systems out of the Republic and into the Confederacy. Which means he had to come to Coruscant and talk face to face with all the movers and shakers of the Republic's political world. Which means the Jedi must have met him or at least got close to him......and yet at that point they DID NOT sense the dark side in him. So we see that Sith can hide their dark sides whenever they wish. As yoda said, "hard to see the dark side is." doesn't that line just explain everything? or am I oversimplifying things?

 

"you guys forget that dooku is the leader of a political secessionist movement, and not a terrorist organization?? he's not like bin Laden, an enemy of the state who the U.S. would shoot in the head the moment they see him. but more along the lines of that southern general during the American Civil War, what was his name."

You're thinking of Robert E. Lee. And while that's true certain people(such as Padme) suspected that Dooku might be behind terrorist activities. The Jedi didn't believe it.

 

I believe Obi-wan answer's that in ROTJ.
Who?What?When?Where?How?!!!

During his conversation with Luke, right after Luke realizes Leia is his sister, Obi-Wan tells him:" Your insight serves you well. BURY YOUR FEELINGS, THEY DO YOU CREDIT, but they can be used to serve the Emperor".
Apparantly, Palpatine has discovered how to master & control the Dark side so well that he is capable of burying his hate, anger, fear , & agression from the all the Jedi including Yoda. Plus the fact that the Dark side is growing stronger around the Jedi, which clouds ability to sense all this.
I came to this conclusion b/c:
1) IF this IS the case, which may be confirmed in Ep III, Obi-Wan discovers that this is how Palpatine was able to deceive the Jedi all along, & being that Luke is growing powerful in the force, it would work to his advantage. Obviously, it worked for Luke up until he starts giving into his fear, & Vader discovers this truth.
2)GL is a genius. If anyone watched AOTC/commentary, he explains how Boba Fett was able to catch Han in ESB. For those of you who haven't yet, here goes:
GL explains that Boba figured out how Obi-Wan survived their "dogfight", which was to cling on to the asteroid. Boba remembers this in ESB, floats around the garbage, & spots Han clinging on to the Star Destroyer, & we all know what happens after.
It's really amazing how many clues are hidden in the OT, that can answer many questions from th PT.

 

<<Yoda senses darkside in Dooku but not Palpatine!>>

Do not underestimate the powers of the Chancellor.

-Otis

 

Palpatine has been hiding his force presence. He's been practicing it for years and years and he's gotten very good at it. Dooku may or may not have this skill, we're not sure, but we can assume it's all but impossible to hid your dark side presence when you're blasting force lightening at a Jedi master.


!snap

 

The Dark Side clouds everything! And if Palpatine is at the center of this "shroud of the Dark Side," wouldn't it make sense that there's a lot of clouding around him?

Or am I just a sleep-deprived college student?

 

You guys remember in the beginning of Attack of the clones yoda looked at plapatine senesed that he had something to do with sentor padmes landing attack?

 

<You guys remember in the beginning of Attack of the clones yoda looked at plapatine senesed that he had something to do with sentor padmes landing attack?>

I think that you guys are missing one big clue in that scene. When Yoda looked at Palpatine in that scene, Palpatine completed that Padme's sentence when she was just in the middle of saying it. So he clearly read her mind and Yoda felt something about it. But probably it wasn't enough to reveal Palpatine's power, because he probably just went to his hide mode again. So Yoda didn't felt anything more and he left it there.

Besides you are forgetting that Yoda will probably use the same trick to hide from the Emperor and Darth Vader in Dagobah. That's why Palpatine never sense when he was, and they don't even mentioned him, they don't even care about him.

Of course, we are talking about hiding a true nature not a person, but it's the same principle.

 

I think a Jedi can only feel the other one when they have link with him/her,or when this person is using the force.

 

Yoda was a geek in this movie. His lines were scody and when he got in a light saver fight he spun around in mental circles and it hurt my head. He used to be my favorite but that four armed weirdo is.

 

Because and I quote(from yoda) "The darkside clouds everything" (say it in your head in yodas voice, if you want to)

 

I believe it is simple as that: the dark side clouds everything. It's a Jedi "power" to learn to hide your feelings as not to be detected by others. Luke could not do this in ROTJ during his battle with Vader and Leia was revealed.

 

Yoda sees Dooku open up a can of whoop-a$$. He doesn't see Palpatine do that however

 

What always bothered me was this -

Yoda says to him "the darkside I sense in you"

this AFTER he has maimed Obi and Ani, and attacked Yoda with objects and lightning - I don't think one needs to be a jedi master to know he's using the dark side.

 

Don't bring EU into this please, but...what exactly did GL say about the Sith?

From what I remember, he said that a Jedi went bad and brought others to his side. That eventually they were defeated from the Jedi and infighting, then Darth Bane? made the rule of 2. My question is, which of the two were the Sith mostly destroyed by?

If the DS clouds "everything", how were the Jedi able to effectively fight them off? Was it because a lot of them didn't bother to hide themselves? Were the Jedi actually able to detect them, but it was forgotten?

I don't think the Jedi "won" simply because the Sith destroyed themselves from within, because this would take time, and if the Jedi couldn't detect the Sith, again, how did they survive?

The large question is, can a DS user mask his DS affiliation any time he wishes? Or does it take an accomplished Sith Master to do this, like Palpatine? Though I am sure that there were other Sith Masters who were just as accomplished if not more, so don't go saying "because Palpatine is the BEST", still...I wish GL would give us the answer to this soon, maybe in EPIII for I am very curious as to how Palpatine can pull this off.

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