PT Yoda's thoughts about death in ep3 are a lie

Even though there is some truth to what Yoda says: "death is a part of life"
he goes on an says he must not feel bad if a loved one dies, he says he must feel happy a loved one dies, he even tells Anakin that he should not mourn those that have died and he shouldn't even miss them. Yoda actually tells Anakin that there shouldn't even be a mourning period when someone dies. You shouldn't even miss this person when they're gone.

That's weak writing, that's one of several ways Lucas try to convince us Anakin's reason to turn to the dark side in ep3 is valid, on one hand Yoda tells him he must be happy if Padme dies, on the other hand Palpatine tells him he can save Padme, of course Anakin is gonna follow Palpatine and not Yoda.

But you can see that Yoda's speech about death is a lie in the order 66 scene, he is not happy that his pupils are being killed, or ok, he faints, and then some hours later he says: "I will miss you Chewbacca", even thought Chewbacca is gonna be alive and well

 

While you make a good point, Yoda really seems to falter in shock of the ripples Order 66 sends through the Force. During the temple scene, Yoda does show sorrow at the loss of the Jedi, but does not spend time mourning them, he immediately goes into planning now to defeat the Sith.

The Chewie thing I think he was just saying to be polite.

 

that's the one unintentional funny thing to me.

"Mourn them do not. Miss them do not."

an hour later...."Goodbye Tarful, Goodbye Chewbacca, miss you i will."

 

While death is a natural part of life, being murdered is not.

Letting a dying person go and reacting to the murder of others are different things.

 

I'm surprised how often these quotes are taken at face value. Yoda was saying that Anakin, as a Jedi and a student of the Force, should see the big picture and accept death as a natural consequence of life. Anakin fails to register this message (as part of his deep attachment to Padme) and is immediately drawn to the Sith philosophy of (unnaturally) preserving life.

So it doesn't mean that Yoda won't feel sad when his peers are being slaughtered, it means that he will be able to accept it and not succumb to Dark side impulses.

 

Alienware: yet...that is not what he says in the film.

And Jedi_Rising touché

 

I think this was done to illustrate flaws within the Order's philosophy. It is JUST AS NATURAL to mourn death, as is death naturally a part of life. The same can be said of attachment, another flaw in the order is not drawing on natural emotion's that strengthen, like love, instead trying to paint a picture of an emotionless group of guardians. These were all highlighted by Anakin's downfall. I don't think Yoda was lying, so much as he is just going on the philosophy of the Jedi, which was to be disattached and unbiased.

 

Really? Anakin is supposed to be a Jedi. I'm actually surprised we don't get to see Yoda afterwards saying something like "A Jedi knight you are...and get this you don't?" A Jedi freakin knight...not some wet behind the ear padawan...and despite that clearly Anakin does not get this, Yoda still thinks it a good idea to put him and Palpatine together?

Again (as so often) if these scenes highlight a flaw of the Jedi it is their immense stupidity.

 

what difference does it make whether he is a Jedi or a Tatooine door to door salesman?

he's human and has emotions,

 

To quote Depa Billaba from the Kanan comic:

"You must not grow too attached, too fond, too in love with life as it is now. Those emotions are valuable and should not be suppressed...but you must learn to rule them, Padawan, lest they rule you."

 

Iron_Lord: now that should have been the line in the movie

instead we get

you're sad when people you love die? forget them bro which isn't as productive, imagine Yoda on the suicide hotline service

 

Yoda says "rejoice for those who transform into the Force" He's basically saying what most people say about loved ones "They're going to a better place"

I don't have a problem with what he tells Anakin. He perhaps could have used some finesse, and probably should have probed deeper when Anakin wouldn't tell him who it was.

 

"They're going to a better place"
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I always assumed that only force ghosts have the power to achieve "immortality" and those that can actually learn the power to do it.

so in other words "don't have the force? oh well tough luck, guess you can't become sentient in the afterlife then" kind of thing.

 

Yoda must think it's just as good

 

what do you mean?

 

Even from a less afterlife-centric point of view, there's lines like Spock's:

"Don't grieve, Captain. It is logical. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one".

"Don't grieve" isn't a million miles away from "Mourn them, do not" after all.

 

yeah but that's the character of Spock, that's his philosophy because he's a Vulcan,

I guess then you could argue it's Yoda's as well, in which case you can only go "fair enough"

 

Maybe the Jedi are the Vulcans of Star Wars - by philosophy rather than birth.

 

then as I say, one can only say "fair enough"

 

Over time, I've grown a bit more generous in my interpretation of the Jedi's approach to dangerous emotions. Like the Vulcans - they have them - but they keep them under tight control - because they know what havoc they could cause without this control.

That doesn't mean they couldn't have done better in their handling of Anakin- but failure isn't always evidence of negligence.

 

There's something to be said about mourning someone. Are you mourning the loss of a loved one, or are you mourning yourself? I forget now where I heard it, but it was something recent and it stood out. That is essentially what mourning is. You have to decide what it is that you are mourning, in order to understand why. If it is for another, then you are effectively letting go. If it is for yourself, as it was for Anakin, then you are holding on to that loss and letting it drive you. Letting it consume you and that is not healthy. That is what Yoda is getting at when he tells Anakin to not mourn those who die. He is telling him to not dwell on the negative, just as Ki-Adi pointed out that he was doing when he left Tatooine.

 

Yes, I guess I can see the humor there with him re-using that exact word just a short tome later.

But still, when he said "mourn them do not, miss them do not" to Anakin, he was referring to that in terms of someone dying. When he told Chewbacca he would miss him, obviously Chewie was not going to die, so that is completely different, and not bad writing at all, unless you think the wording of the line was corny.

And during order 66, Yoda was not showing sadness or mourning anything. He was holding his heart from feeling the tremor in the force from it. I don't think it was anything he could control at that moment.

 

Luke's thoughts in Heir to the Empire:

Mourning the loss of a friend and teacher was both fitting and honorable, but to dwell unnecessarily on that loss was to give the past too much power over the present.

 

Luke's thoughts.....that are no longer canon.