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"You assume too much"

Discussion in 'Archive: The Phantom Menace' started by Obi-Wan2001, Jun 10, 2004.

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  1. Obi-Wan2001

    Obi-Wan2001 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Interesting that it's used twice in the film, by different characters. Once by Nute Gunray to Amidala at the beginning and later by Padme to Qui-Gon right before the pod race. Do you think it's just a random thing or intentional by Lucas as a really subtle hint that Queen Amidala is Padme?
     
  2. Oreckel

    Oreckel Jedi Master star 3

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    Good point - I hadn't noticed that before.
     
  3. Loco_for_Lucas

    Loco_for_Lucas Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It's a pretty good way of hinting who she really is.
     
  4. openmind

    openmind Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I don't remember it in the theatre but on the DVD its there. Likely GL wanted to give a hint about Padme. But there were atleast already two hints before that.
     
  5. bburditt

    bburditt Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Yeah I think it was meant to be a hint. Kind of like the "we are brave" line by Padmé.
     
  6. EsperVeum

    EsperVeum Jedi Youngling star 1

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    It's also a hint on Padme/Amidala's rebel attitude.
     
  7. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I noticed it the first time I saw TPM! GAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :D

    Anyway, the same thing happens in AOTC - First, Obi-Wan says "Possibly" to Anakin, then Jango says it to Obi-Wan.
    Does this mean that Jango was spying on Obi and Ani in the beginning? Darn, that bounty hunter is good! And fast!!

    I hope there will be a repeated line in EpIII as well. Stuff like this is what ties trilogies together.
     
  8. Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa

    Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Now, you could say nothing is something all you want, and thats fine, but i honestly don't think its any kind of hint. The confession that Padmé was using a Decoy came on its own accord. The line "you assume too much" was simply used to state facts in the movie.
     
  9. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Force Ghost star 8

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    Smuggler: I don't think he was saying it was a hint to Qui-Gon, but rather a hint to the audience. ;)
     
  10. Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa

    Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Jedi Youngling star 6

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  11. openmind

    openmind Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Kind of like the "we are brave" line by Padmé.

    That's one of the hints I was talking about and probably the most brilliant scene :cool: The next one (and awesome), Qui Gon's look back at Padme after he says "the Queen doesn't need to know". Pure class there! :D
     
  12. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Force Ghost star 8

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    The funny thing is that Qui-Gon knew the whole time, and was just messing with her mind. :D
     
  13. Billy_Dee_Binks

    Billy_Dee_Binks Force Ghost star 4

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    I have a bad feeling ab....
     
  14. TheLight

    TheLight Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The biggest hint in the movie is when QGJ says the queen doesnt need to know. Padme says, "Well, I don't approve."
     
  15. Darth_Tynaus

    Darth_Tynaus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    True, you do have a point.
     
  16. Vindaxxus

    Vindaxxus Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    But did Obi Wan know
     
  17. Emos-Edud

    Emos-Edud Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Also note the reference to assumption in AOTC. I think there is something going on in the PT that has to do with an asumption made by the characters and the audience and that it is bigger than the events of TPM.

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    BTW, Padme's "We are strong" comment is her way of telling the decoy to answer in the affirmative. Many royals and celebrities have code phrases or gestures to communicate with their security. It's not like Padme is just going to let her decoy run on auto-pilot.
     
  18. openmind

    openmind Jedi Padawan star 4

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    BTW, Padme's "We are strong" comment is her way of telling the decoy to answer in the affirmative.

    I find that this scene and line is one of the best in the Saga. Bordering on genius :D

    Pardon me Emos, but it was "we are brave". Just to be exact. :)
     
  19. Emos-Edud

    Emos-Edud Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "We are wrong."
     
  20. Obi-Wan2001

    Obi-Wan2001 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Jedimaster_Prowl, I believe Lucas says in the DVD commentary that both he and Qui-Gon knew. Even though it does look like Obi-Wan gives more of a "Well, you were right, Master" glance over to Jinn.
     
  21. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Actually, I first thought that it was Obi-Wan who had figured it out but Qui-Gon hadn't believed him. That's the way it looked to me.
     
  22. I_kill_Tuskens

    I_kill_Tuskens Jedi Youngling

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    considering lucas doesnt know what subtle means, it was just a coincidence.
     
  23. Emos-Edud

    Emos-Edud Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Ha, coincidence. Riiiiight.
     
  24. Parparamia

    Parparamia Jedi Master star 3

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    "Assuming" is arrogant presumption. Arrogant Presumption is what brings down the Jedi. They use the term in TPM as a metaphor of the Jedi as a whole. Padme: "You Jedi assume too much"....in black and white...crystal clear, Labeling the Jedi...also a nice bit of forshadowing.
     
  25. openmind

    openmind Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Padme: "You Jedi assume too much"....in black and white...crystal clear, Labeling the Jedi...also a nice bit of forshadowing.

    Actually she said "you Jedi are far too reckless" and then "you assume too much".

    Luckily, Anakin won the race.



     
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