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Discussion in 'Community' started by The Emotional Jedi, Jan 1, 2024.

  1. The Emotional Jedi

    The Emotional Jedi Jedi Knight star 3

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    in the sections of the forum centered around Star Wars, there are several threads that are dedicated to sharing the personal Star Wars Canon of the various members. I always liked these kinds of threads, because I like to see what people's different opinions are, and what each of us wants to consider as Canon in our heads. Therefore, I thought it would be nice to open a similar thread, but focused on the Star Trek universe. I know there are several Star Trek fans on here, so I would like to see what is your personal Canon for Star Trek.

    As for me, my personal Star Trek Canon consists of the following:

    • Star Trek: Enterprise
    • Star Trek: The Original Series
    • Star Trek: The Motion Picture
    • Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan
    • Star Trek: The Search for Spock
    • Star Trek: The Voyage Home
    • Star Trek: The Final Frontier
    • Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country
    • Star Trek: The Next Generation
    • Star Trek: Generations
    • Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
    • Star Trek: Voyager
    • Star Trek: First Contact
    • Star Trek: Insurrection
    • Star Trek: Nemesis

    I generally accept the events of The Original Series as Canon (except maybe some of the weirdest episodes). However, I'm forced to recognize that the special effects aged terribly. So, in my own head, I imagine the “true” TOS ships, uniforms and aliens looking closer to the ones in Strange New Worlds, even though I don't consider Strange New Worlds itself as Canon.

    Now it's your turn!
    What is your personal Star Trek Canon?
    I can't wait to read your replies!
     
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  2. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    This thread is from a mirror universe.
     
  3. The Emotional Jedi

    The Emotional Jedi Jedi Knight star 3

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    You see, I actually enjoyed Strange New Worlds. But for some reason it doesn't manage to give me the same Trek vibes of the other shows. So, I don't include it in my personal Canon, not because I think it is a bad series per se, but simply because it doesn't manage to give me the vibes I'm looking for. That's a common characteristic of everything Star Trek that came after Enterprise. Therefore, we can say that I'm an Old Trek purist. The whole thing ended in 2005 for me. Lol.
     
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  4. Darth_Duck

    Darth_Duck Chosen One star 5

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    The Final Reflection by John M. Ford. Nothing else ever gets that good.

    But seriously, TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, Voy, Ent, Disco, SNW, Short Treks, LD, Prodigy, Picard, the movies, "Holiday Party" from very Short Treks, and The Final Reflection by John M. Ford.
     
  5. Sarge

    Sarge 6x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Years ago, I was running a Trek tabletop RPG and the question came up about what was canon. For the purpose of my game, I decided that Roddenberry and most of the show creators were visionaries unconsciously channeling images of the "real" Trek universe, and they got most of the details right, but occasionally made a few mistakes in filming the true stories. That was my explanation for most of the inconsistencies, especially in early episodes.

    Mirror and parallel universes mean practically everything can be canon, just not necessarily in the prime timeline. Stuff that I don't like, I just decide it's not part of the prime timeline. What I accept includes:

    TOS, mostly, with a few adjustments for inconsistencies
    TNG, same.
    DS9, completely
    SNW is a great show, but too many inconsistencies with TOS, so it's a parallel universe, a really good one.
    LD is an in-universe cartoon and a big hit with Starfleet officers
    TMP, WoK, SfS, TVH, UC are canon.
    FC, I struggle with. It's easily the best TNG movie, but it's also the beginning point of ruining the Borg, so I have to reject that one from prime canon.

    Everything else, I consider bad in-universe fan fiction or mirror universes I have no interest in visiting. That includes TAS, Voy & Ent (which have rare occasions of being decent or occasionally good fan fiction), Disco, Prod, Picard, and the JJ-verse.
     
  6. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 10

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    Strange new worlds is some of the best of Star Trek
     
  7. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    My personal Star Trek cannon got seized by the ATF.
     
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  8. Happy Sando

    Happy Sando Jedi Master star 4

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    Hmm. Okay, put me down for...

    Enterprise
    The Original Series
    (+ all movies)
    The Next Generation (+ all movies, Invasion and Elite Force II)
    Any episode of Deep Space Nine required to make sense of The Next Generation or Voyager
    Voyager
    (+ Elite Force)
    Picard
    Prodigy
    (+ Supernova)

    ...but honestly, I'll watch anything once.
     
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  9. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    The Cage
    Strange New Worlds
    The Menagerie Pts. 1 and 2

    * everything else is varying degrees of negotiable*
     
  10. DarthTunick

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  11. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Everything that's been produced for movies and TV I consider to be canon, save for Very Short Treks, since that was explicitly non-canon (although very enjoyable; "Skin a Cat" and "Holiday Party" might be the hardest I laughed at anything in 2023). Everything has its peaks and troughs, but it's all collectively Trek to me. I don't fuss much over how well it all fits together, since... you really can't. You end up having to excise so much wonderful stuff in order to create a Trek cannon that's halfway consistent, and I don't personally find that to be preferable to the alternative of just accepting everything, warts and inflatable Enterprise and all.
     
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  12. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    Star Charts and Stellar Cartography, to begin with.

    From there, all the TV shows, including TAS and Lower Decks, and the movies. The FASA, LUG and Mophidius TTRPGs. The STO MMORPG. It's all canon*, more or less (some less than more). Working on fitting it all together is part of the fun. (And note that the new stuff has been using the first two items I mentioned)


    *(Well, not Decipher's Star Trek RPG. A shameless cash grab with little to recommend).
     
  13. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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  14. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Chosen One star 7

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    Lower Decks which encanonates everything else by reference.
     
  15. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    This is my answer as well
     
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  16. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    Eh, I've never left - I still read the boards on a regular basis. Just mostly back to lurking these days.
     
  17. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Oh. Post more!1
     
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  18. Chancellor_Ewok

    Chancellor_Ewok Chosen One star 7

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    Correct opinion. :p
     
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  19. Sarge

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  20. evilchumlee

    evilchumlee Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I keep all the the shows and movies as canon except for TAS. It was officially NOT canon for so long that I run with that. The Kelvin Timeline stuff is canon, in a different universe, although all the pre-Kelvin stuff is still the same.

    I don't think DSC, SNW and LDS SHOULD BE... but they are (I like SNW and LDS, they just don't work in canon.)

    I will go to great lengths/mental gymnastics to make things work.
     
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  21. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I don't really have a personal canon on the level of films/shows. That tends to lead to cyclical negativity when fandom things become generationally fractured (ie: "TOS" vs TNG", "Star Trek" vs "Nu-Trek", "Original Trilogy" vs "Prequel Trilogy", "Star Wars" vs "Disney Star Wars", etc, etc), unless there's an actual multichronological nature to a franchise (ie: Terminator, Halloween, RoboCop, or anything else with sequels that ignore other sequels, etc, etc). Differences in opinion over the different entries just comes down to personal preference, but it's still canon.

    Personal canon is, IMO, better applied to smaller-level details. Usually working in stories, concepts or details from non-canon works to bridge, enhance, or explain aspects of official content. Especially when it comes to ships ;). Trelane is definitely a Q. Scotty helped designed the Sovereign-class. Geordi built the Jellyfish. The Narada is enhanced by salvaged Borg tech. The STO Aelahl-class Warbird predates the Valdore-class despite mainly being considered a 25th century ship. Picard was aboard Uhura's ship even if only briefly. The Daedalus-class is just a halucination by someone high on splinter staring at an empty soda can. Etc. ;)

    Probably the closest I come to to broader concept this thread is about is in regards to TOS. It may be where everything began, but it's been the odd man out for 20-30 years. And storytelling standards have risen so much in the past 40-50 years. So I find it best just to not take TOS too literally in regards to the rest of the universe/franchise. It's ok- they didn't know what they were doing yet. Just squint while you're looking at it (and they make it easy with all of those soft-focus close-ups! ;) ).

    As a kid, my viewpoint was less mature on the subject, though. I grew up watching Star Trek IV, VI, TNG and the start of DS9. TOS was not easily accessible, but when a rerun did come on it did not hold my interest. Old show (though weird that that was a turn off, given that I watched so many old sitcom reruns that TOS was pretty similar to), ship looked flimsy/silly, Shatner's hair didn't look right (need that TJ Hooker/ST4 hairdo!), rest of the crew outside of Spock and Bones didn't look right (especially Scotty, who was unrecognizable- was he even the same actor? No way for little me to know! ;) ), etc. TOS was for my model-making uncles. The films and TNG (and seaQuest DSV!) were for model-making little me. :)
     
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  22. evilchumlee

    evilchumlee Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I do that with details in TOS. I can handwave away a clunky early name for Starfleet or some such, like calling it "Star Command". As for as bigger things like what things look and such, that's always true.

    I PROBABLY would have been ok writing TOS off had it been revisited several times. TNG, DS9 and ENT all established that this is what that era was. Had they just... ignored it, i'd be fine just also ignoring it. But it's a definitely a part of the larger universe.
     
  23. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Oh, yeah, everything there still basically happened. But the exact details can be waived away. Even the look/design of the ships/sets/uniforms. At this point, everything that happened did so just looking like Strange New Worlds (or a small evolution of it). But I'm focused on the aesthetic progression to a degree, and jumping from NX-01 to DIS/SNW-as-TOS to TMP/TWOK just ends up looking and making so much more sense than NX to DIS/SNW to TOS to TMP/TWOK. And if TOS as a look is where it ends up somehow afterall? ok, sure, we wedge it in there.

    But that part is malleable. The missions still happened. They just had better scripts and acting "in real life" ;).
     
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  24. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    I like the Daedalus-class...:(
     
  25. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    I consider everything canon to be canon, since it's canon.
    But I prefer to try and ignore stuff like Discovery, because it isn't very good.
    Everything would be much easier had it been confirmed all the modern Trek shows take place in the JJ Abrams Trek universe, because then they can in essence do whatever they want instead of just doing whatever they want now and the old continuity be damned.

    Lower Decks is fun and since it's a comedy I don't take it seriously so it can do whatever it wants.
     
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